treat or not treat

treat or not treat that is the question , my view is you must keep on top of them i treat for coxi and canker one week then worms the next then respitory the next miss a week then start again what do you do

i only ever treated for canker now and again through the season and microform t. the only time i would treat for the lot was befor breeding or the young birds befor racing never had a problem but we all have our way of doing things.

For me i would not treat as i belive in natural immune system and for me if you see weakness in a bird then remove it from the team

But everyone to there own, but i am not saying do not have your pigeons checked out by a vet just to see how your birds are

thats where we are going wrong over treating ,in another topic they mention losses ,is this why we lose so many ,over treating..i do believe we have to treat now and again nowadays but not nearly every week...some say that i have had a rubbish season with my 6 wins so far because my club is not so big or what ever but i did,nt treat that much as most and mine done ok in my opinion

i treated for worms and thats it as i feel my birds must be heathly to be flying around for 2-3hours a night so i wont be treating and i dont feel i should have to treat

ray to is right leave meds motivate them go look back at his pictures the hen on his back had it not been for the attack trust me that hen would have won

everyone to there own but i bet the top lads have different colour water everyday

peel bros wrote:

thats where we are going wrong over treating ,in another topic they mention losses ,is this why we lose so many ,over treating..i do believe we have to treat now and again nowadays but not nearly every week...some say that i have had a rubbish season with my 6 wins so far because my club is not so big or what ever but i did,nt treat that much as most and mine done ok in my opinion

who says you have had a rubbish season ray six wins are six wins wish i had them

only this year i treated my birds for the first time in about 4 years only because i had them given
so they got treated for worms and canker but basicaly i leave well alone i very rarely have one go sick
but if i do it gets isolated in a avairy till its better with no meds but with some of my natural products i use which i can get from the health food shops which never fails . if people want to treat thats up to them but basicaly i think its a waste of money , im not so bothered about mine as i don,t race every week and every race is always over the channel and they get raced natural on a open hole so there really living close to nature as possible and mine are thriving on it allways on the go so they don,t need much training but thats just me i take a laid back attitude to my racing and it suites my life style and my pigeons love it .

i would treat my birds as a precautionary measure before pairing up, and then maybe before racing started , depending on how they are performing training etc as ive noticed with the ybs for example that they seem to go a bit off colour once training starts.......maybe this is what is called yb sicknes, im not sure......but it could be stress related maybe ???
also if i had a bird which i considered good or a bird which had won racing, i would definately treat it rather than removing it from the loft via the dustbin.

ray. youve had a good season so far....a win is a win no matter how many members you fly against.......sometimes fanciers who never win a thing use the excuse that its because they fly in a good club with stiff competition, thats just a cop out and the answer to them is either work harder with the pigeons or buy some better birds because theres are crap.......

David wrote:

i would treat my birds as a precautionary measure before pairing up, and then maybe before racing started , depending on how they are performing training etc as ive noticed with the ybs for example that they seem to go a bit off colour once training starts.......maybe this is what is called yb sicknes, im not sure......but it could be stress related maybe ???
also if i had a bird which i considered good or a bird which had won racing, i would definately treat it rather than removing it from the loft via the dustbin.

ray. youve had a good season so far....a win is a win no matter how many members you fly against.......sometimes fanciers who never win a thing use the excuse that its because they fly in a good club with stiff competition, thats just a cop out and the answer to them is either work harder with the pigeons or buy some better birds because theres are crap.......

dont agree some members do have stiffer compitition therefore much harder to win races

of course some flyers have stiffer competition, thats a known fact........but in some of these clubs where fanciers never win a card and their excuse is "oh, the competition is too stiff", what im saying is as we all know....you only get out of it, what you put into it and if your doing your best and still dont win, then the birds are no good or simply not good enough.....so dont stand still with pigeons which have won 10 years ago, get some new blood in, simple.

yes i do agree ian these people do put stuff in their water everyday,but i hate the fact that we have to .if i can get away with it i wo,nt bother putting stuff in .nowadays you have to to compete with these top flyers ,but these same ones are the ones bringing all the problems into our birds,thats what i was saying before our birds or most of them are as weak as piss these days..i know we have more birds but we never lost the birds we do now.my birds used to be good on hard days but now not so good, any east in the wind nowadays they are shite...going back to my wins most of them are good wins with high fed positions .you know yourself if you get on the fed sheet here you are doing well as you have been doing the last few weeks .i bet you wished the season was a little longer now

in my opinion ray, the "top" flyers tell you very little.......and if they do tell you something its neither here nor there. they wont tell others any of their "secrets" or their management system, ok some will say im wrong, but think about it....on these pigeon forums what hints/tips do the top flyers actually give away ? very few if any.

David wrote:

of course some flyers have stiffer competition, thats a known fact........but in some of these clubs where fanciers never win a card and their excuse is "oh, the competition is too stiff", what im saying is as we all know....you only get out of it, what you put into it and if your doing your best and still dont win, then the birds are no good or simply not good enough.....so dont stand still with pigeons which have won 10 years ago, get some new blood in, simple.

still dont agree if you dont treat your birds then you are not giving them a chance of proving themselves , whats your excuse david is it your pigeons arnt good enough or is it that you dont give them a chance

firstly ian, in my post you quoted i never mentioned treating them........secondly my "excuse" is that i havnt given them the chance, i know the pigeons are good enough to win becaue they are from an up to date loft which has won in good company, and not from pigeons which have not won a card of any worth for the past few years.

now ive explained my poor result from the one race ive entered in 25 years, whats your excuse.....???

come on boys keep it clean damit only a thread mines " im new to the sport tho "

no excuses david in the last six weeks a i have picked up over £200 in pool money and have had a 2nd 3rd and 3x 4th clubs in a strong club also some great fed positions in a hard fed so why would i have any excuses david my birds have flown well iam happy with them


in fact my excuse for early on in the season is i didnt treat enough didnt give them a chance

what does it matter who treats and who does,nt treat every body as there ways of flying pigeons
i very rarely treat but thats just my way and my birds are healthy and fly well . you don,t have to arue about it .

kev not argueing mate just stating a fact

ian, you could argue with yourself..........as it happens in responce to your comments about whats my excuse......excuse for what ??? ive only entered one race and really i dont think the result of that is anything to go by either way, to say was it my rubbish management or rubbish birds is not to be judged by one race in which i lost 6 inexperienced yearlings who had never raced out of 8.

as it happens if i had to say what would/will let me down racing either my management or the quality of my birds i would have to say that because i am a novice my management would leave a lot to be desired and clearly i will make mistakes which i hopefully will learn from........

so ian, what do you mean by "whats my excuse" excuse for what ?

excuse for not racing your birds david why send inexsperienced birds to a race this is what iam getting at , not giving birds a chance its not always the birds fault

the birds which were lost trained from 45 miles as ybs and entered 2 newark open races from 56 miles...........and the reason i didnt race them as ybs in my club was that hey got yb sickness early in the yb season which put my training and racing back, by the time they were cured it meant jumping them in to the longer yb races which i didnt want to do and being inexperienced myself regarding racing thought they would have had enough learning to fly as old birds.......

a couple of weeks before the2011 oldbird season started i had a family crisis (some members on here know what it was, some dont) which put me back weeks so that i had to jump the yearling cocks into a 136 mile race wqhich anyone would think was easy enough, but as we all know pigeon racing has some strange outcomes to the results of races, and the unexpected can and usually does happen which resulted in me loosing 6 out of 8 entered.........plus i agree its not always the birds fault, the basket does sort them out yes, but if the management isnt right the bird cant be xpected to perform at its best.

this is exactly what iam saying

.plus i agree its not always the birds fault, the basket does sort them out yes, but if the management isnt right the bird cant be xpected to perform at its best.

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