would you buy these well layed out aint they

just goes to show some people dont give a toss what or how they sell birds
of thats the est they can do to sell a pigeon its a poor shame

http://www.pigeonsales.co.uk/detail.asp?id=6340


http://www.pigeonsales.co.uk/detail.asp?id=6351

http://www.pigeonsales.co.uk/detail.asp?id=6342

should see mine graham..........pmsl

naaaaaaa david i bet you can have your tea off the floor

suppose you could do john, but you wouldnt want to..........

Loft needs cleaning. It may not be cleaner than a feral colony.

looks like one doesnt it chad.....lol wonder whos birds they are ?

not best time to take pics

the birds do look ok but what have they done i wonder,i,m over stocked also but i would,nt sell birds if they had,nt done anything or bred anything..we all have birds like these if not better.i just got rid of birds that had won because i thought they where,nt good enough to give away buts thats me.........

wasnt the birds i was on about it was how and the conditions they were kept in

yes i know but i was just saying about the birds g

well i for 1 wouldnt by from that loft if thats the stae he keeps them in
and yes ray your right some sell the shit on to others but there not even worth a perch

Well if he keeps the loft like that wonder what is house looks like in side :s o well some people just don't care but I for one won't allow my birds to live in shit and I only have time to clean them out once a day but atleast its spotless once I'm done

its not the way i like to see a loft but the birds dont look to bad to be honest as the loft probably dries out quickly being so open but not for me, each to his own as i have heard many fanciers say they dont like a clinicaly clean loft and know some fanciers who dont change their deep litter all year round even after yb sickness but these lofts dont seem to be consistent jmo

have deep litter in my stock shed, i rake it over every now and then and move the piles every few days..........ive only 12 birds in there and it doesnt get too bad as i scrape the perches most days.

i dont see much harm in deep litter as long as the loft is dry and the deep litter doesnt get wet or damp..........

Thats what I couldnt make out when I came back into pigeons how nearly every one was cleaning their lofts out Im not saying its wrong, But is this where youngbird sickness is comeing from, I clean mine out ones a week cos somebody dose it for me, and I dont think I get too many if any go down sick, when I had birds befor I would clean out twice a year April and september the birds were not disturbed they were left to do what they liked natural amunity I no its not spelt right but thinke you no what I mean But everyone dose what sought them

hi ginger, ive read that quite a few fanciers use this method, sometimes ive heard top flyers have green in their drinkers.............

I clean my drinkers with my fingers then perhaps ill clean it every two or three months in the sink.

it does make you wonder if cleaning out every day is the cause of some illnesses.
birds cant get a chance to build up immune systems,because everything is so sterile....then the slightest thing comes along,and everything is sick.
when i started birds..i used to clean cages/flights daily...and almost every wk,i had birds dieing....the neighbour who keeps pigeons,said to me...i think you are cleaning out to often...so i changed to doing it wkly....after that,i mostly only lost birds to old age..or the severe cold weather.
nowm saying that..i do clean out the pigeons every day...but only cause there sh1t is so big compared to what i was used to

i clean my boxes out everyday,once in the winter,twice in the racing season,but the floors we never hardly touch.i agree you can be too clean,i think a bit shite on the floor wo,nt harm the birds at all

i think deep litter is fine i only used it for the young birds to build immunity and also put it down for the winter months but apart from this i like a clean floor as i dont like the build up of dust after a while.also its messy but does have its uses and many top lofts use it.either way whether i am in a period of scrapeing the floors daily or not either way i dont think it has any bearing on young bird sickness and this is the only ailment my birds have ever had

deep litter for me (clean nest boxes between rounds)
and i love to see algae in the drinkers
is over cleaning bad for our birds ??????????????
i seem not to have any health problems breeding or condition wise
but i only show them no racing now

everyone to there own

m planning on laysoft in most of the sections over winter, it makes it easier to manage them and lets face it its not easy looking after them during the winter months........(i dont think it is anyway...)