for raymond

yes i think if utd had been a stronger side then rooney would have been shown the door......RAYMOND what crap you have spilt ffs dont you remember the players fergie has brought through utd's youth ranks scholes,butt,neville bros the kid beckham ,sharpe,giggs and i cant remember a manager who has won as many titles in there career money or no money rafael benitez spent a fortune did he win the title alot of managers have spent big and won nowt and you still have to get the team to play, a sustained period of success shows the quality of the old trafford legend look what he did with cantona got him playing wilkinson at leeds could not handle him look at the money made out of ronaldo funny how the big names that leave utd dont do much at their new clubs and you watch cleverley when hes fit another fergie freebie ffs ray wake up and give some credit where its due the man is a football genius

yes darren he has been a fantastic manager but i was,nt jst on about him....like you say liverpool that was down to bad management,sometimes money does,nt but success,you have to admit that the managers at the middle of the table do just as good considing what they have to spend.take bruce at sunderland they ewould,nt play for him but since oneil as arrived they are a better team altogether..i do,nt think i was talking crap thu=ough darren ,is it your a man u fan and are bit upset about last night,after all its my opinion and i gave it,i could be wrong like you say and i can accept that .fair enough

oldstrain wrote:

yes i think if utd had been a stronger side then rooney would have been shown the door......RAYMOND what crap you have spilt ffs dont you remember the players fergie has brought through utd's youth ranks scholes,butt,neville bros the kid beckham ,sharpe,giggs and i cant remember a manager who has won as many titles in there career money or no money rafael benitez spent a fortune did he win the title alot of managers have spent big and won nowt and you still have to get the team to play, a sustained period of success shows the quality of the old trafford legend look what he did with cantona got him playing wilkinson at leeds could not handle him look at the money made out of ronaldo funny how the big names that leave utd dont do much at their new clubs and you watch cleverley when hes fit another fergie freebie ffs ray wake up and give some credit where its due the man is a football genius

darren not doubting fergie is a great manager but lets face it he has bought some crap in his time
last night newcastle played them off the park and thats an injury hit team with a small squad with a midfield that cost less than 10 million a 15 goal striker on a free but
sadly for the toon when these players go to the african cup we will struggle
they play as a team and where up for the challenge no excuses this is the poorest man u side i think in the last 25 years but dont take credit away from pardue he has done a fantastic job with little money and selling his star striker for 30 million
i could name the many great players that have come through the newcastle youth team and man for man would match any thats come through man u youth acedemy JMO sean

who started this debate off its a pigeon site ffs

yes plenty good players come through the ranks at most clubs but not under 1 man sean just look how many managers newcastle have been through give pardew his due though he has done extremely well ................................................................................................................................ray i do like to watch united but i am a bristol city fan

ok lads enough said on this subject lol...get back to pigeons we know a bit more about them hopefully

I AGREE RAY WHO STARTED THESE FOOTBALL TOPICS OFF

Just me MAYBE---But if some of the members are so good at telling coaches how and what to do to WIN--They are in the "WRONG" business.
Get into foorball---NOT pigeons

Sky Tx wrote:

Just me MAYBE---But if some of the members are so good at telling coaches how and what to do to WIN--They are in the "WRONG" business.
Get into foorball---NOT pigeons

go step on some beetles don

any rain yet don............