Treatments...........any thoughts on them.

fancier who i bought the two cocks from yesterday gave me a bag of tretments for free....anyone used or heard of them and if so what do they think to them....


spartrix....canker

avicas........wormer

panacur........wormer

schleimpulver......mucus powder

meditrich..........crop canker

slijmpoeder.........antiglairol

mycoform-t.........respiratory

harkers.....spot-on-endectocide............worms, lice and mites

oldhands....one eyed cold

Hi david, I have heared of all of those treatments, Panacur we use home here for our horses along with other wormers and its very good. But as with all wormers always change them each time you use them for best results, Old hand products are all good and work, Harkers spot on I used this year for the first time it also works as long as you treat all your birds together and do them twice a week or two apart. As for the others I have seen them but never used them. As I have stated on here before I only treat sick birds for minor ailments like one eye colds, canker and such, as these never seem to affect them too much and they can go on to win after having thoses... If a bird has other serious problems like respritory or salmonela infections I send them to the sky vet instantly, as i have never have a treated bird for these ailments ever do any good racing. Hope this helps a bit, Im far from an expert but these are my experiences.

yes, thanks martyn.....its good info you have given me. its always a problem for me to know what and if to treat and ive never used any of these before . i will treat two weeks before pairing for the usuall canker etc but wondered if i was missing out by never using these treatmemnts as the man i git them from was a good prize winner

I was looking at the body and ridewood catalogue the other day and if you pick any one make of treatments, like fabry or natural and there are tons of them, and then use all the products they do for pigeons they all say ,..use twice a week , or use once a week and so on.
Wel if you bought them all and used them you would need 15 days in every week. I think that says it all for products and the uses, I have used corn and water now for 2 months no treatments, or multivits or anything and the birds never looked better, and the droppings.

yes martyn, ive read by top flyers just clean water and good food is all they need.....but altho they are looking well now during the winter/rest period do you think they will need vitamins and treatments during racing season when their bodies are under stress and strain ?

rudderfett wrote:

I was looking at the body and ridewood catalogue the other day and if you pick any one make of treatments, like fabry or natural and there are tons of them, and then use all the products they do for pigeons they all say ,..use twice a week , or use once a week and so on.
Wel if you bought them all and used them you would need 15 days in every week. I think that says it all for products and the uses, I have used corn and water now for 2 months no treatments, or multivits or anything and the birds never looked better, and the droppings.

The thing is Mart theres a saying up here, your birds are only as clean as your dirtiest club member.
They may be looking great now but come the race season and they are mixing in the baskets with other peoples birds, well thats where the problems arise.

I gave up on Boddy and ridewood ages ago. I use www.taylorschoice.co.uk.

Amanda

good point amanda, so when they are racing and mixing with other pigeons.....how often do you treat them and what for ?

Yes of course you are both right, and slightly wrong. I totally agree with members birds passing on ailments to our well cared for ones and believe me I do use some products to combat any of those, as for vitamins under stress dont believe in it. I have a family member who is related to Peter Bowen a famous race horse trainer down here, he has won the grand national I think and had horses placed in them every year, He has open days at the stables and we go, as we also have horses. He never gives vitamins, they are given feed and that has all the natural stuff in it, you will not improve anything with vitmamins, good fanciers and trainers dont need them.

Im sorry i have to disagree with you Mart about the vitamins,
I use Multivitamin+ this helps •Contains methenamine to boost detoxication after races
•Contains amino acids for regeneration of the muscles
•Contains essential vitamins to rebuild performance.
I use to own horses aswell and i did'nt have to give my horses any other vitamins as the feed companies of the day already put them in the feed. And im sure the same applies to today feeds Mart. Even more so with horses that are being trained and used for compition such are Jumping and racing. As like pigeons they can also suffer with muscle problems, so they need vitamin E for that reason alone.
So you may not be giving them any vitamins yourself, but they are or should be in the feed that you buy for them.


Amanda.

well said amanda like you say we wouldnt have to give vitamins if it was built into the feed this is a necesity anybody who doesnt use them then more fool them

martyn, are we talking natural vitamins or synthetic vitamins here........

David the main difference between natural and synthetic vitamins is price and lets face it most companys go for the cheeper option.


i found this..........
Vitamins can legally be called “Natural” even if made in a laboratory. You would not think so, but it is true. Vitamin C, for example, is factory-made from starch. Starch is certainly natural, so the product can be termed “Natural.” Is this starch-based vitamin C identical to orange-juice vitamin C? Most biochemists say yes, because:



1) they appear to have identical molecular structure

2) vitamin C in animal bodies is made from carbohydrates anyway, and
3) the product is clinically effective.

as with most things David it comes down to money


Amanda

a mine of information tonight amanda........but hang on, ill get back to you on that one.

DAVID wrote:

a mine of information tonight amanda........but hang on, ill get back to you on that one.

see i can be seri-arse aswell as the joker

dark_chequer wrote:

DAVID wrote:

a mine of information tonight amanda........but hang on, ill get back to you on that one.

see i can be seri-arse aswell as the joker

you seem to have a thing about arses amanda........

or maybe a fettish.......

me have a fettish

Bum afse ***K DRINK........and that was my Father Jack impresion

you havnt been having a few have you amanda........?

DAVID wrote:

you havnt been having a few have you amanda........?

Not with Tramadol
if i did that i would wake up sometime in Jan 2010

just in time for pairing up.........

DAVID wrote:

just in time for pairing up.........

your right there David Wheres the MAGNERS

get plenty down you amanda, you deserve it.........