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[22:43:39] birdy2011 joined the chat on Fri Mar 23, 2012 10:43 pm
[22:43:44] birdy2011 : hello
[22:43:57] birdy2011 : so what was his point
[22:44:13] luke_01903 : I am not trying to cause upset - just to find out about pigeon people
[22:44:27] luke_01903 : what are your problems with birds of prey?
[22:44:31] birdy2011 : well we are human not criminals
[22:45:10] birdy2011 : its the comtinued attacks do you not go on pigeon sites and see the pictures
[22:45:13] luke_01903 : can U answer my question please
[22:45:37] birdy2011 : oi dont get mouthy with me im a worker not a frigging typest
[22:45:56] Rene A joined the chat on Fri Mar 23, 2012 10:45 pm
[22:46:12] birdy2011 : hi rene
[22:46:38] luke_01903 : I an not - but can you awnser my question - whats are your problems with birds of prey
[22:46:57] Rene A : hi mate i will come on in a min and chat just goin to make a coffee lads ok
[22:47:03] birdy2011 : i see you have a problem reading i just said the continued attacks
[22:47:22] luke_01903 : dont get assy with me
[22:47:36] luke_01903 : cats kill more pigeons the BOP
[22:48:36] birdy2011 : here
we go hawks scare pigeons in kits cats have the odd one dont get smart
with me mate go to the nottingham web cam count the rings
[22:49:22] luke_01903 : if oyu knew anything about birds you would know that most of them are from the bto
[22:49:32] Rene A : 1st
of all can i say thank you for at least coming on to the site luke the
problems we have with the hawks are they are attacking our pigeons off
the lofts
[22:49:33] luke_01903 : not all of them are from pigeons
[22:50:08] luke_01903 : thanks Rene
[22:50:19] luke_01903 : the last thing I want is more hate for BOP
[22:50:48] birdy2011 : mate get real its not just pigeons they attack do ya home work where are all the small birds going you explain that to me
[22:51:08] birdy2011 : i dont hate them there very nice birds
[22:51:09] Rene A : luke its not that we hate the BOP all we are asking for is the right balence to be made
[22:51:18] luke_01903 : magpies do alot of that and also humans
[22:51:37] luke_01903 : I am a voulnteer for the rspb - think I know
[22:52:32] birdy2011 : not
in the numbers im talking luke we dont see anything round here now
sparrows starlings black birds t**s nothing so dont tell me magpies
have took all that lot
[22:52:33] luke_01903 : if it wasnt for humans for taking farmland away there wouldent be a problem
[22:53:28] luke_01903 : look, some arears have a higher consecrations of birds than others
[22:53:50] Rene A : luke
the true fact is that the increase in the hawks are a lot higher then
they are saing we have never had attacks like we are now years ago and
people say dont mess with nature but the RSPB are by releasing bops out
of there own habitat mate
[22:54:13] birdy2011 : no what you lot do is work off back garden surveys then make numbers up
[22:54:18] luke_01903 : what do you mean by that
[22:54:29] David joined the chat on Fri Mar 23, 2012 10:54 pm
[22:55:24] birdy2011 : have you ever emptied a perigrins nest of all the rings maybe if you did you would get a shock
[22:55:31] birdy2011 : hi david
[22:55:42] Rene A : hi david
[22:55:50] luke_01903 : I have done that - the magority of themare wild birds ringed by the bto
[22:55:53] @ David : hi graham
[22:55:56] @ David : hi rene
[22:56:06] luke_01903 : hi david
[22:56:08] @ David : have we got a follower here
[22:56:19] birdy2011 : lol get real mate there racing pigeons
[22:56:25] @ David : hi luke, i see your a bop man
[22:56:43] luke_01903 : there not, I have them all on my shelf at home - there all from the bto
[22:56:51] luke_01903 : the rings are from chichester
[22:56:52] @ David : just reading previous posts
[22:56:54] Rene A : yes david but at least he has the balls to come on and talk mate
[22:56:55] birdy2011 : all
[22:56:58] birdy2011 : all
[22:57:07] @ David : true rene
[22:57:08] birdy2011 : please dont insult me mate
[22:57:39] birdy2011 : go on notts web came have a look pigeon rings
[22:58:11] luke_01903 : I have done - there not pigeon
[22:58:32] luke_01903 : I do have balls- i am 13 and taking you lot on
[22:58:33] birdy2011 : so your telling me all the rings not one was a racing pigeon
[22:58:40] luke_01903 : yes
[22:58:54] birdy2011 : you carry on like you are you wint see 14 son shine
[22:59:00] Rene A : do you actualy know what a pigeon ring looks like
[22:59:05] @ David : firstly luke your claim that more cats kill pigeons than bop, where is this info from ?
[22:59:46] luke_01903 : I have reacherd it my self
[22:59:59] @ David : how ?
[23:00:01] luke_01903 : and dont threaton me
[23:00:09] @ David : do you keep pigeons ?
[23:00:20] luke_01903 : info from bto - websites and me doing sums
[23:00:26] birdy2011 : typical
they send a boy on site to do a mans job go get yaself in bed son you
aint been around long ebough to know a chicken from a duck bring the
shit shoveler not the spade next time
[23:00:31] @ David : whos threatened yo me ?
[23:00:54] luke_01903 : byt can we carry this on tommorow - I have to log off mum says
[23:01:09] birdy2011 : lol
[23:01:23] luke_01903 : lol u fukers
[23:01:49] @ David : well
let me tell you one thing,bto means jack shit to me and other pigeon
fanciers, and to make such a stupid un qualified statement like that is
total rubish
[23:01:49] birdy2011 : wanker copy and paist it for we move it lol
[23:01:53] birdy2011 : sleep well
[23:02:06] luke_01903 : thanks and u
[23:02:33] birdy2011 : got to add this sending a boy on the site pmsl
[23:03:17] @ David : unbelievable eh, what did luke expect to find out ?
[23:03:41] birdy2011 : brain washed i knew he was a kid ffs
[23:03:57] @ David : hope he bringds more friends on tomorrow and we can maybe have a proper discussion
[23:04:27] birdy2011 : lol send this to gaz david pmsl
[23:04:42] @ David : young lad who belives what he is told by the rspb probably, he doesnt know any different
[23:05:02] Rene A : fook i missed most of that i went for a fag but from wot a read wot a t**t
[23:05:05] birdy2011 : knows how to call us fukers
[23:05:30] @ David : graham upset him i think
[23:05:41] Rene A : e had to go to bed cos mummy said PMSL
[23:05:56] @ David : rene
[23:06:12] birdy2011 : lol
[23:06:19] Rene A : thats not nice g he had the balls to come on lol
[23:06:31] Rene A : yes David ?
[23:06:34] @ David : pmsl graham
[23:06:37] birdy2011 : tell ya what he was a laugh give him that
[23:06:46] @ David : can yo copy and paste this chat
[23:06:51] Rene A : yeh mate
[23:06:55] birdy2011 : his fecking balls aint even dropped yet rene
[23:06:56] @ David : im on laptop and cant do it
[23:07:00] Rene A : what me
[23:07:13] Rene A : ill do it now mate
[23:07:13] @ David : renes balls ?
[23:07:20] @ David : thanks rene

Luke maybe you are blinkered by people like Jason.
But before you can really enter any debate and be taken seriously, then you must be aware of the facts. If you are going to use the BTO, then please be fully aware of what they do. I to was a member of the BTO back in the 70's when I was a young lad, I spent many seasons netting, ringing and weighing birds.
I have also been involved with conservation groups and have had a lifelong passion for birds all birds.
When ever you decide to pick up the standard, that's flag to you and march into a battle. You must know all their is to know about your opponent.
Manui Dat Cognitio Vires.
Those with any intelligence, will know what those Latin words mean.
You will build up huge files of data, this data will help you in times to come.
Conversations and comments from other people, especially the extremists will add weight to any action as this will give evidence to form clear picture.
When you use the word Hate, this is an extremely powerful word.
Words like this are extreme, and are usually used by the extremists.
Wild birds are just that, they are wild and belong to nobody. Because they enhance our our life, with their sheer beauty and there song, then rightly so they should be protected.
But once any bird has become has become so hugely over populated, then in some cases, this bird start to become a nuisance.
So then the said bird should be assessed and the natural balance of nature restored.
The garden bird.
Lets take a look at the past, this is something I have had first hand knowledge of as I was a hedge layer for many years.
As more restrictions were put on farming here in the UK, farmers were beginning to feel the pinch as the industry was as not lucrative as it once was and many farmers began to experience financial difficulties, the suicide rates of farmers would reinforce this.
So the farmers, had to start budgeting, one expense that farmers decided to cut, was the use of contractors like myself to lay and maintain hedgerows. As this was a huge expense, the government at the time was warned about the devastation that this would cause to the environment, but these cries fell onto deaf ears. No grants or subsidies were made to maintain hedgerows in the countryside around farmland.
So hectares of natural hedgerows were pulled out and replaced with wooden posts and wire fencing. This still made fields stock proof, but huge savings were made by farmers as these fences never became overgrown and didn't really have to be maintained to the extent of the hedgerows.
This caused many species of birds and animals to lose their natural habitats.
We first started to see the demise in the countryside of the Dormouse, Skylark, Song Thrush, many species of Finches and Sparrows.
As well as a multitude of other creatures, that inhabited these hedgerows.
Many species evolved and adapted to living in urban areas of the country, where for sometime they flourished, habitat was rich and food was plentiful.
The public embraced this, as it was like the country side had started to come into their gardens.
They encouraged this by feeding them to ensure that they graced their garden for years to come.
Many natural predators become to show a demise in the countryside, due to their lack of food, i.e. the small prey birds.
But it wasn't long before these predators followed.
Because food for these predators was in abundance, these Raptors began to flourish and their numbers increased tenfold.
The public have now began to see evidence of this.
Now their garden birds numbers have started to rapidly decline, IN SOME AREAS, not all. But never the less this decline has become evident and now when the bird lovers feed their birds, they are witnessing attacks in their own gardens by Raptors.
Now that urban dwelling Raptors are now in such numbers and their territories have been greatly reduced from 250km to just under 50km. Maybe this alone should be evidence enough that that Raptor species of the Sparrowhawk has now seriously become overpopulated in certain areas of the country and is now beginning to cause huge problems in these urban areas.
But the Sparrowhawk has a diet of mainly small birds, hence the name Sparrowhawk. But now the smaller birds are declining, they have now turned their attention the the racing pigeon.
The racing pigeon fraternity have been warning the charities and the government about this problem this problem since the late 80's. But their pleas and warnings have been ignored and every year this has become gradually worse, now in 2012 some 23 years later, their worst fears have now become evident. With attacks now happening on a daily basis.
So before you accuse the pigeon fanciers of being bird haters, they have been extremely patient for the last 23 years.
Now they are asking for action to be taken on their behalf.

excellent post, and excellent reading gary........knowing your facts is a powerful weapon.

lets see what response it gets from the pigeon haters......

That is just a small exert from the huge statement of facts, that I'm compiling.
But the whole picture should be taken into consideration.
The more people attack me on other sites, the more power they are giving to the arm.
If they were in fact more intellectually superior to us uneducated pigeon fanciers, then they would have indeed foreseen what what they were doing.
But they have done us a great service and do not realise that they have reinforced our argument, because if there was not a problem, then it would not have generated the attention it has.

good post gary ill leave you to the scrips ill just rip the little shit apart in chat im best used there lol

Lol, but you have to give the young lad a bit of credit.
At least he had the bottle to come out of his comfort zone and to come onto chat as well.

he was a lippy little shit probley that dip stick that came on a few months ago knows naff all about bops or any other kind of bird
and if he want to come back well then let him but he wont get any joy calling me a f***er just a boot in his milk teath

G, these people need to learn how passionate we are about our birds.

well if there brain cells are anything like the little p***k that came in the chat you have no chance maybe thats why they dont come on chat there so thick i dont pussy foot around with pricks i tell um as it is being nice to that sort wont and never dose pay and if they wete educated the would be able to see whats going on around them its clear they arent

You tell em mate.

this is what where up against people who are brain washed they just dont listen and are blinkerd
in there opinions , i think this lad came on a few months ago and did the same thing the best thing we can do his get him to visit a loft who get attack with BOP and see for him self the damage they do .
every time i speak to none pigeon people i alway tell them the problems we have and they don,t have a clue what we have to put up with so i tell them the RSPB are to big a organisation to take on all they do is buy land up to protect the habitat of the BOP . i have them knock at my door some times and boy do they wish they never botherd i tell them the same thing but they just spew out the programed speach and they don,t deviate cos they can,t argue they have,nt got a clue .

I agree mate and they just refuse to listen. But these are on the whole the extremists. These are the ones who make the biggest noises.
On the upside, we are making progress and believe me people are listening.
Not all are ignorant to what we are saying and you will be very surprised the amount of people who do have a liking for the persecuted pigeon.
You will also be surprised at the amount of bird lovers out there who too have witnessed the garden birds that they feed suffer the same fate as our pigeons.
These too are becoming quite sympathetic to what we are saying.
Believe it or not, the extremists are becoming very useful in publicising our plight to the general public and bird lovers.
Although these select few, do at times do things to try and stir us up, their plans are now backfiring on them.