Guernsey Racing Pigeon Club 2nd St.Malo 18/08/13

K.Young 69 miles 1563 yards Veloc 149.152
R.Archer 69 miles 69 yards Veloc 144.413
G.Mourant 70 miles 311 yards Veloc 140.046
R.Legg & Son 69 miles 976 yards Veloc 91.207


Well done all on a hard race


and I would like to say thanks to Ray and his brother for breedin the bird for me to score 2nd

Great result Rene and great news for Ray and his brother also for beading the pigeon

Rene A wrote:

K.Young         69 miles 1563 yards  Veloc 149.152
R.Archer         69 miles    69 yards  Veloc 144.413
G.Mourant      70 miles  311 yards Veloc 140.046
R.Legg & Son  69 miles  976 yards Veloc  91.207


Well done all on a hard race


and I would like to say thanks to Ray and his brother for breedin the bird for me to score 2nd

I know things are tough    on that little island of yours Rene But !!!!!!!!!!    are my eyes playing tricks on me etc or did they all row home for a change.

I know things are tough    on that little island of yours Rene But !!!!!!!!!!    are my eyes playing tricks on me etc or did they all row home for a change. [/quote]

no mate they wanted a swim this time in our club there were only 5 birds out of 28 I don't know about the other club but im sure Ginger will be able to let us know

Rene A wrote:

I know things are tough    on that little island of yours Rene But !!!!!!!!!!    are my eyes playing tricks on me etc or did they all row home for a change.

no mate they wanted a swim this time in our club there were only 5 birds out of 28 I don't know about the other club but im sure Ginger will be able to let us know [/quote]


Rene !!!!! I suspect    the members here in the main etc are thankful that they don't race under your conditions on that island of yours. With out a doubt they would wonder what hit them, compared to normal racing etc on the big island     if they did take up the challenge there.

theres deffinatley something wrong on devils island, is it the birds the fanciers or both ?. 

Rene !!!!! I suspect    the members here in the main etc are thankful that they don't race under your conditions on that island of yours. With out a doubt they would wonder what hit them, compared to normal racing etc on the big island     if they did take up the challenge there. [/quote]


Your not wrong there mate its a compleatly different form of racing over here most would give up within a year its like try in to find a needle in a hay stack for our birds to find this rock were just a pebble in the ocean to our birds

cant believe them velocities   well done to all in the result

If I were struggling to get birds to return in the conditions that are experienced in the Channel Islands I would try to bring in fresh stock from Tenerife or Madeira islands where their birds are tested in huge numbers flying over the Ocean. No use to keep breeding from parents whos youngsters fail and fail and fail. This is a waste of time and money and worse still is soul destroying for the fancier
It may sound harsh but it is true, better still try to buy new older stock from the auction of birds that are still left at the end of the Final of the Derby Arona Tenerife or the early birds from the final of the Somerset OLR. Proven to face water when young with NO help from following older hens across.
It is hard but This is all you can do to get better stock and to breed or get birds that clock in race time in the conditions that you face there.

Edgie I can tell you its nothing to do with the birds or fancier, we have had some good flyers over that is going show us how to fly they have tryed it for 1 or two years and said to me I dont no howe you get them to fly over here at times their island 3 mls away and you cant see it for mist which means our birds if they are 1 degree out and they miss the island I have kept birds for a few years a lot has changed in my time and I can tell you its not getting any better and wont get better for a long time, for us we have to go up in the hottist part of the day and over the years we have found we lose a lot of birds going at that time of the day its not our fault the ferry goes from here at half past 11 and dont get into jersey till half 12 which means the hottest part of the day

Hi Ginger, I was not saying your Channel island birds are not up to the job in hand it is the posts on the subject that say as much. I have experience here of hot weather in the Algarve, our YBs (Latebreds with old rings) fly in high 30 degrees C because that is the climate here.
In Tenerife for example a bird called Bayo Casablanca ( I have a few relations of it) flew 1000km over the sea on the day arriving on the morning of Day 2 and then a fortnight later clocked from 700km over the Ocean.

"World Record  "flight of "Bayo Casablanca" owned by Jose and Abel Ledesma of "Ledesma Loft," no bird had ever successfully flown this distance over the sea to be clocked on the morning of the second day! "Bayo Casablanca" was released  along with 125 other birds from "Casablanca, Morocco, (a distance to his home loft of 1064 km or 665 miles) at 7:30 am and arrived at his home loft in "Tenerife" at  9:15 am the morning of the second day. Yes, he arrived on the morning of the second day, but remember that since there is no place in the ocean where a pigeon can land and spend the night this incredible pigeon had in fact flown to the North end of the island of "Tenerife" by nightfall of the first day, spent the night in "Tenerife" and then flew the remaining distance to the "Ledesma Lofts" the morning of the second day! What does it mean? It means that this incredible athlete flew at least 1000 kilometers over the ocean on the day!

Birds like this would clock from 100 miles over the sea and thats a fact. Getting them from Tenerife and Madeira ETC and breeding and getting more and breeding until something clicks. It could take 1 year it could take 7 years but if you breed from a Gene pool that is clocking in you have more chance than breeding from a gene pool of Failures.

Ginger wrote:

Edgie I can tell you its nothing to do with the birds or fancier, we have had some good flyers over that is going show us how to fly they have tryed it for 1 or two years and said to me I dont no howe you get them to fly over here at times their island 3 mls away and you cant see it for mist which means our birds if they are 1 degree out and they miss the island I have kept birds for a few years a lot has changed in my time and I can tell you its not getting any better and wont get better for a long time, for us we have to go up in the hottist part of the day and over the years we have found we lose a lot of birds going at that time of the day its not our fault the ferry goes from here at half past 11 and dont get into jersey till half 12 which means the hottest part of the day

hi ginger and the rest of your members on the island,please dont be offended, if it aint you guys then it has to be your birds,so get ridd and try again as you are only wasting your time with what you got, if it interests you or any of your members, then i am willing to send you a team of young birds for you and your members to share and test, these birds will fly in any weather,and certanly to 600 miles, all you have to do is except my hospitality, and arange and pay for there carrige, i pair my birds around the middle of february, so these young birds will be ready late april, have a think about it and let me know. yours in sport edgie.  

Edgie & Kevin it wasnt ment in perhaps the contecs it was put in I was trying to say how different it was to fly here things have got a lot different to what it use to be I hope it dont affend any body and thank you for the offer I have just bought in some new blood I am going to try I have bought in G/Children of POCO she won the Barcelona twise they are bred with daughters of the Emperor, national 2, POCOS g/daughter, and the golden queen, so the blood is their all I have to do is find it

Ginger wrote:

Edgie & Kevin it wasnt ment in perhaps the contecs it was put in I was trying to say how different it was to fly here things have got a lot different to what it use to be I hope it dont affend any body and thank you for the offer I have just bought in some new blood I am going to try I have bought in G/Children of POCO she won the Barcelona twise they are bred with daughters of the Emperor, national 2, POCOS g/daughter, and the golden queen, so the blood is their all I have to do is find it  

hi ginger no crossed wires here mate, only trying to help, with the possibilty of knee opperations for me in the future, and the fact i do not race y/birds, i shall have a good surplus, so the offer still stands ?. 

thanks I may take you up on that Ill get in touch next year mate Thanks once again

Ginger wrote:

thanks I may take you up on that Ill get in touch next year mate Thanks once again

your very welcome:cheers: 

Hi Ginger, Poco was a great bloodline, a good few years ago in Belgium I bought a pair from an entire clearance sale of Jos thones former Partner Albert Willems, the cock was a Grandson of the great Gerda on both sides a 5 Year old .
I unexpectadly left the UK shortly fter buying them and gave them to a long distance racing fancier in Blackpool before I left the UK and I must find out how they did for him at stud.
The thing is though that these birds never have to face water and it is my belief that if you breed from a certain type of bird then you breed instinct into it. I hope your new recruits do the business for you and will cross the water. Time will tell.

Thing is Kev the way I look at it is, we are on a small island when they fly out they can see water all the way around I dont expect miracals the fist year they need to get aclimatised to our way of raceing when I here of birds being bought and they score the first year I think to myself their is no way they would do that over here, people dont seam to realize what we have to do over here to get birds to fly its hard but that is the chalenge I like, I my self is getting too old and I dont want to change I think I have won as much as anybody in the island but thing pass you by I like keeping pigeons I have had them all my live and will have them till I die, I have forgot more than I no

Ginger wrote:

Thing is Kev the way I look at it is, we are on a small island when they fly out they can see water all the way around I dont expect miracals the fist year they need to get aclimatised to our way of raceing when I here of birds being bought and they score the first year I think to myself their is no way they would do that over here, people dont seam to realize what we have to do over here to get birds to fly its hard but that is the chalenge I like,  I my self is getting too old and I dont want to change I think I have won as much as anybody in the island but thing pass you by I like keeping pigeons I have had them all my live and will have them till I die, I have forgot more than I no

Hi Ginger, I like keeping pigeons too but if I am going to send them to a certain type of race ie here 650 miles Barcelona then I have to know they have the makeup to get home and I have to believe that they can do it too, otherwise I wont send them.
No point going through the motions.
The birds you have just got will probably do the business for you, 4 years back we had a race from Casablanca, over the Ocean for the 1st time ever and the Family of birds that I have here Won it so it can be done. I wish you all the best.
Somerset semi final on Friday so fingers crossed one of us can do something good there  

Ginger wrote:

Thing is Kev the way I look at it is, we are on a small island when they fly out they can see water all the way around I dont expect miracals the fist year they need to get aclimatised to our way of raceing when I here of birds being bought and they score the first year I think to myself their is no way they would do that over here, people dont seam to realize what we have to do over here to get birds to fly its hard but that is the chalenge I like,  I my self is getting too old and I dont want to change I think I have won as much as anybody in the island but thing pass you by I like keeping pigeons I have had them all my live and will have them till I die, I have forgot more than I no

I know how you feel Ginger    I also live on a small island       &  have spent 50 odd years etc racing across the water so to speak & won more than my share of races. In simple terms, Blind Freddy !!!!!     would/could give you the answers to your prediciment there on your island. Real life thou unfortunately is not that simple. Not for one minute do I think that you & the other flyers there have not tried every trick in the book so to speak, to race on a level playing field. Once water thou comes into the equation etc I found even the best of the best at any distance can be found wanting sadly. Even if it's only crossing 50 odd miles of water let alone hundreds of miles like down here.  
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spencerline wrote:

Hi Ginger, I was not saying your Channel island birds are not up to the job in hand it is the posts on the subject that say as much. I have experience here of hot weather in the Algarve, our YBs (Latebreds with old rings) fly in high 30 degrees C because that is the climate here.
In Tenerife for example a bird called Bayo Casablanca ( I have a few relations of it) flew 1000km over the sea on the day arriving on the morning of Day 2 and then a fortnight later clocked from 700km over the Ocean.

"World Record  "flight of "Bayo Casablanca" owned by Jose and Abel Ledesma of "Ledesma Loft," no bird had ever successfully flown this distance over the sea to be clocked on the morning of the second day! "Bayo Casablanca" was released  along with 125 other birds from "Casablanca, Morocco, (a distance to his home loft of 1064 km or 665 miles) at 7:30 am and arrived at his home loft in "Tenerife" at  9:15 am the morning of the second day. Yes, he arrived on the morning of the second day, but remember that since there is no place in the ocean where a pigeon can land and spend the night this incredible pigeon had in fact flown to the North end of the island of "Tenerife" by nightfall of the first day, spent the night in "Tenerife" and then flew the remaining distance to the "Ledesma Lofts" the morning of the second day! What does it mean? It means that this incredible athlete flew at least 1000 kilometers over the ocean on the day!

Birds like this would clock from 100 miles over the sea and thats a fact. Getting them from Tenerife and Madeira ETC and breeding and getting more and breeding until something clicks. It could take 1 year it could take 7 years but if you breed from a Gene pool that is clocking in you have more chance than breeding from a gene pool of Failures.

Interesting read etc. About all I would like to add    if any one wishes to read more on the subject. Look up posts by Steve 1952 around the 5/3/10 type of thing. Explains in detail with pictures etc here re the above bird & the way they do things there. Interesting read      I think.

edgie wrote:

Ginger wrote:

Edgie I can tell you its nothing to do with the birds or fancier, we have had some good flyers over that is going show us how to fly they have tryed it for 1 or two years and said to me I dont no howe you get them to fly over here at times their island 3 mls away and you cant see it for mist which means our birds if they are 1 degree out and they miss the island I have kept birds for a few years a lot has changed in my time and I can tell you its not getting any better and wont get better for a long time, for us we have to go up in the hottist part of the day and over the years we have found we lose a lot of birds going at that time of the day its not our fault the ferry goes from here at half past 11 and dont get into jersey till half 12 which means the hottest part of the day

hi ginger and the rest of your members on the island,please dont be offended, if it aint you guys then it has to be your birds,so get ridd and try again as you are only wasting your time with what you got, if it interests you or any of your members, then i am willing to send you a team of young birds for you and your members to share and test, these birds will fly in any weather,and certanly to 600 miles, all you have to do is except my hospitality, and arange and pay for there carrige, i pair my birds around the middle of february, so these young birds will be ready late april, have a think about it and let me know.  yours in sport edgie.  

Ginger and Rene if I was you I would take edgies up on his offer as that is just to good to refuse

Edgies that is some offer and I hope they take your offer

i hope they do take me up on the offer,it will give me great plesure, and it will give my birds chance to prove themselves in another part of the world ?, they aint let me down yet nor have they let other people down that i have gifted them, there is always 1 or 2 out of the bunch that make the grade, but after all it is a lottery. but i can say this much, they are the proper tools to work with.   

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