Training regime

Yes that is because they have come of there line which they know and have followed the leading pigeons and have gone over a different area which they don't know or they have not been using there brains

if you could find where/if they break from the pack could you just train from there ?

Yes

and a few miles either side of this point also so the pigeons know were to break

would you have to find out where they break, or teach them where the correct place would be.....

Either way find the correct place of breaking point then move it either side of the line

good advise don totally agree

ian, if any of your ybs pair up and lay, do you let them sit them to encourage them home quickly....?

yes david i put nest pans in for them to encourage them

I would let them pair up and sit

by the time the young bird national is here there are usually sitting 10 day old youngens

Ian do you pair your young hens to old cocks and your young cock to old hens

Race the young cocks on widowhood and the young hens on eggs /young ones???

good idea don i might try that now i,m on the dark

yes donn same hear like that idea

Hopefully it can help you get that few more yards out of your pigeons

just that few yards as you say don might do the trick as ray and ian are just nearly there most weeks....good luck for the channel on friday ian, and good luck to ray and ian for the weekends race as well......

Same here all the best

hope we get some good news from them at the weekend....

As we all know it is different to inland racing when they hit that big pond every direction is the same

i wonder how long they are flying over water...?

Your guess is a good as mine mate

well when they are liberated they will fly for so long over land i presume ? so then they will have to face the water....i wonder if any/many wont attempt to cross it ?

This happens with young birds if you race from the coast your birds are racing away from the sea but as soon as they are libarated from france as soon as they see the sea many will not cross and go back into land

ill bet france is full of strays...

Yes and that is the reason why pigeon is on all french menu's

bet your not far from the truth there don....bet theres been a ring or two found in a mouth full of food on many occasions...