Half Brother & Sister

Hi Lads I think this sort of thing has been on befor but here goes I have quiet a few half brothers & sisters, 8 in total and I was wondering if any one mates half brother to half sister and had they had any good become of it re flying or breeders just a thought please give your thoughts on it even if it only gives me some thing it may allso help others THANK YOU        

Hi Ginger I have put half brother and sisters together and have done well with the off spring I have also put brother to sister but these pairings have been for stock only, this is to get trhe blood back as close as possible with the brother and sister pairings not only will it bring out the best in the original gene it will also bring out the worse
Ken

Thanks Ken thats the kind of thing Im looking for

Ginger this is a half brother / sister pairing I put her to stock and paired her to grandfather and so far have bred 4 x 1st out of her
Ken

lovely looking hen ken,......... 

Thanks David
Ken

Nice Hen Ken

Ginger wrote:

Hi Lads I think this sort of thing has been on befor but here goes I have quiet a few half brothers & sisters, 8 in total and I was wondering if any one mates half brother to half sister and had they had any good become of it re flying or breeders just a thought please give your thoughts on it even if it only gives me some thing it may allso help others THANK YOU          

Yes !!!!!!!! I have done it in the past without blinking an eye    more so to get the blood back in the stock loft side of things. Quality has to be there in bucket loads thou   as for the racing side. Anything is possible ?????, but I would suggest there are better way's of gaining results Ginger. Pigeons being pigeons     do tend to make a mockery of what is written in stone as such thou, by us so called experts     at least for what I have found.  
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I personally tend to favour inbreeding as opposed to crossing because I want eventually end up with a winning strain of my own but nobody seems to be doing this, since the janssens almost all winning fanciers if you look at the PEDS tend to be crossing to get winners.

Given the fact that I am an inbreeder or at least practise it on a regular basis I never put half brother and sister together, brother and sister mating is the closest form ever and is closer than mother and son, father to daughter based on how genetics work.

I cant really see any real benefit from the practise on breeding this way, I prefer cousins or nephew to auntie e.c.t but defo cousins.

inbreeding really does concentrate factors within the genes and good and bad traits can be produced in very large quantities, if you like experimenting and have time to do it then go for it, but for me its too close for really good results based on the fact that almost every winning pigeon you will ever see will be a cross.

Rudderfett wrote:

I personally tend to favour inbreeding as opposed to crossing because I want eventually end up with a winning strain of my own but nobody seems to be doing this, since the janssens almost all winning fanciers if you look at the PEDS tend to be crossing to get winners.

Given the fact that I am an inbreeder or at least practise it on a regular basis I never put half brother and sister together, brother and sister mating is the closest form ever and is closer than mother and son, father to daughter based on how genetics work.

I cant really see any real benefit from the practise on breeding this way, I prefer cousins or nephew to auntie e.c.t but defo cousins.

inbreeding really does concentrate factors within the genes and good and bad traits can be produced in very large quantities, if you like experimenting and have time to do it then go for it, but for me its too close for really good results based on the fact that almost every winning pigeon you will ever see will be a cross.

As always Rudd    food for thought etc in what you say  .
But !!!!!!! it's that old Rome thing again, It just keeps rearing it's ugly head I'm afraid, for what I see.

It's everyone to there own I would say to keep the required blood strong then yes you have to breed close then use the youngsters out breed with the required blood

But I know nothing  

Thanks lads this the thing Im looking for I cant use all the the comments but I can go through them and sort out what would be the thing for me anyone please give your thoughts on it, it could help a few of us not just me if every one nose it all just think your never too old to lern, come on pile em in it dosnt matter how daft it may seam to some els it may help a few.      

If you have 2 champions who win and breed and are brother sister then the gene pool is obviously good, I don't have such birds, but in that case I would say a half brother sister or full brother sister mating would keep that gene pool rich, but then they need crossing.
However there is nothing to say that some bad points could rear up from them because we all get throw backs in the families. But its experimental stuff really and for me its a bit hit and miss. Good luck.

Ginger wrote:

Thanks lads this the thing Im looking for I cant use all the the comments but I can go through them and sort out what would be the thing for me anyone please give your thoughts on it, it could help a few of us not just me if every one nose it all just think your never too old to lern, come on pile em in it dosnt matter how daft it may seam to some els it may help a few.      

I will tell you a little secret Ginger     (Just between the the two of us) No one else here is to know type of thing. So !!!!! "Swear on the bible" please "Don't tell etc". When people talk about line breeding/inbreeding & genetic's & throw in a bit of science or eyesign type of thing, in relation to breeding as the way foreward. I get lost "Big time" unfortunately   . It may sound all to simple to some here, but I mate by feel & what my gut/brain tells me etc. In a strange/funny sort of way & I cannot explain why it is so But !!!!!!!! I was one of those last man standing types    etc,  as when the season came to an end & you had to present a clock etc I had that happy knack of being able to do it & did it for many many years type of thing. So !!!!!! what does all that trivia above, really mean at the end of the day "Not much I suspect"   But between the Kiss theory & the basket challenge, I had a hell of a lot of fun/enjoyment along the way.

Dont worry mate I will not tell anybody we will keep it to are self  but dont you tell any body on the bush tellygraphe its all ours    

  

Rudderfett wrote:

If you have 2 champions who win and breed and are brother sister then the gene pool is obviously good, I don't have such birds, but in that case I would say a half brother sister or full brother sister mating would keep that gene pool rich,  but then they need crossing.
However there is nothing to say that some bad points could rear up from them because we all get throw backs in the families. But its experimental stuff really and for me its a bit hit and miss. Good luck.

Spot on Martyn I would say to keep the blood and gene pull strong mating close I think can help

my best yb last season was from half bro half sis mating

Thanks lads all this is for my interest as I was asked to breed half brother and sister together for one of my mates and I hadn`t gone down thous lines befor I thought I would get a bit of info, and where better to get it than on a pigeon forum and as you all no this is the best one, I have had brother and sister mated befor I think we all have but never kept them for breeding and by the looks of it it seems you can bred some good ones out of it you will get some robish out of it as well if you dont try you wont go very far

Hi! I only had 1 pair on my own. The cock is 2004 and the hen is 2002. They are half brother/sister and both of them are winning bird and both produced champion. That pair is belong to my previous boss. When he retired in pigeon racing, I asked my boss to have a pair. Since I'm his loft manager that time, he didn't insist. He told me to select which I loved most in his breeders. I had 2 ybs bred from that pair. 1 is cock and the other 1 is not sure. The yb is so quiet til this time. I hope it's a hen so I can pair them someday. Since my pair is old enough, I removed the other egg and replaced it with a plastic egg so that they took care of 1 squeakers. 2 squeakers is good but 1 is more vigor so I don't let them rear two ybs. Now, I asked my friend to take care of my breeding pair and since he is racing too, he can breed them for stock. I only had 2 ybs to take care and before the end of December, I'm going to Qatar to find a work. My mom will took care of my two beloved pigeons.

In addition, both produced good breeders that also produces champion. Let me correct, 1 squeaker not 1 squeakers. Lol!

Happy flying!

Joseph Vincent wrote:

Hi! I only had 1 pair on my own. The cock is 2004 and the hen is 2002. They are half brother/sister and both of them are winning bird and both produced champion. That pair is belong to my previous boss. When he retired in pigeon racing, I asked my boss to have a pair. Since I'm his loft manager that time, he didn't insist. He told me to select which I loved most in his breeders. I had 2 ybs bred from that pair. 1 is cock and the other 1 is not sure. The yb is so quiet til this time. I hope it's a hen so I can pair them someday. Since my pair is old enough, I removed the other egg and replaced it with a plastic egg so that they took care of 1 squeakers. 2 squeakers is good but 1 is more vigor so I don't let them rear two ybs. Now, I asked my friend to take care of my breeding pair and since he is racing too, he can breed them for stock. I only had 2 ybs to take care and before the end of December, I'm going to Qatar to find a work. My mom will took
care of my two beloved pigeons.

All the best Joseph    when you move to Qatar in December to find work etc. Not easy unfortunately, if one has to leave home like yourself to put bread on the table  . One would suspect I imagine     the eyes will be looking to the heavens type of thing. To try & find a flock or two where ever you may settle there.  
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Hahaha definitely! Maybe some might going to ask me why am I always looking up!?! Lol! Well, I hope I could find a work in Qatar. To everyone here, enjoy the hobby! Wish me luck coz I really need to find a work as soon as possible. Thanks!

Good luck Joseph in your new venture I hope every thing works out for you

Thanks Ginger!