Stock selection

How do you select birds for the stock loft? proven racer, eye sign, how they handle, pedigree, ect

I would go on racing performance chicken, and pair best to best.....I think its the most logical thing to do.

Its going to be my first year back racing this coming season, So to be honest its important when selecting stock pigeons, you have all information on the birds themselves. This is were i rely on pedigrees for looking at future stock, after a few years of racing, i should know what is in my loft for breeding selection. Well that is the plan for me, thats why i started back up with a 3 year plan.

David wrote:

I would go on racing performance chicken, and pair best to best.....I think its the most logical thing to do.

David that's the Belguim way of doing things winner to winner everytime regardless of breed

proven racer

devo56 wrote:

Its going to be my first year back racing this coming season, So to be honest its important when selecting stock pigeons, you have all information on the birds themselves. This is were i rely on pedigrees for looking at future stock, after a few years of racing, i should know what is in my loft for breeding selection. Well that is the plan for me, thats why i started back up with a 3 year plan.

Sounds logical to me Devo for some one in your situation etc. Easy to say "Breed off performance pigeons" but for most flyers they are not like lemons on a lemon tree & there fore the pedigree must play it's part. One must also look at ones nature/desire & decide which way to go in relation to sprint or distance racing also I believe, to help save time.

i agree with you dave performence birds from the race team to go to the stock loft but when i bring in new stock for breeding they must handle how i like them to blend in with the others regardless of the breed whether it be sprint or distance they must handle the same

Two ways of answering Chickens question really, how do we select stock birds from birds we already own and have raced, or how do we select stock birds when purchasing them.....?

Nice thought David how about we answer both ways. I choose from my best racers and leave the pairing up to them. Stock from outside i only go to 2 places and trust them and there judgment as they know far more than me. As long as there sprint birds i will try any as never know when you get that magic mix

cowandchicken wrote:

Nice thought David how about we answer both ways. I choose from my best racers and leave the pairing up to them. Stock from outside i only go to 2 places and trust them and there judgment as they know far more than me. As long as there sprint birds i will try any as never know when you get that magic mix

Magic mix . Reminds me of my other favorite pleasure CC. Horse racing, & how people go about finding their magic mix for success etc there. No matter which way you spin the bottle with either of them not many of them reach old age sadly, I've found.

I do have to make a confession about my selection, as a dedicated eye sign man its always the first thing I look at in a pigeon, I have tested it out time and time again experimenting with it when I can.

And for the best part its worked for me but not totally, and that's the confession I have attimes been stumped, confused, amazed and sometimes very surprised.

I will always bow to what I feel is common sense, reality and truth so when things happen that you haven't planned or controlled in any way then its something you have to admit to your self despite how much you feel you shouldn't.

Therefore although I have made eye sign work for me and can prove the results, it also has an element of say luck and inconsistency to it sometimes, and to conclude this I have to also admit that many of my best racers have been my best breeders, that isn't to say however they don't also have great eyes, but that some just don't, and that's the inconsistency to pigeons.

But I have used eye sign on pigeons I have no knowledge of as they have never raced and they also produced good birds. They are a mystery.

when I hear best to best distance must play a big part best at 120mls and best at 500mls don't make sense to me

and i just thought them together and hope simple lol

rainbow wrote:

when I hear best to best  distance must play a big part  best at 120mls and best at 500mls don't make sense to me

I think best to best must be kept within the distance category George, if a fancier concentrated more on sprint racing obviously he would pair sprint to sprint....but I think Geoff cooper said pairing middle distance pigeons into long distance pigeons gives that little bit of speed/vigour and that pairing a sprint bird to a distance bird wouldn't breed the desired offspring....

Rudderfett wrote:

I do have to make a confession about my selection, as a dedicated eye sign man its always the first thing I look at in a pigeon, I have tested it out time and time again experimenting with it when I can.

And for the best part its worked for me but not totally, and that's the confession I have attimes been stumped, confused, amazed and sometimes very surprised.

I will always bow to what I feel is common sense, reality and truth so when things happen that you haven't planned or controlled in any way then its something you have to admit to your self despite how much you feel you shouldn't.

Therefore although I have made eye sign work for me and can prove the results, it also has an element of say luck and inconsistency to it sometimes, and to conclude this I have to also admit that many of my best racers have been my best breeders, that isn't to say however they don't also have great eyes, but that some  just don't, and that's the inconsistency to pigeons.

But I have used eye sign on pigeons I have no knowledge of as they have never raced and they also produced good birds. They are a mystery.

Martyn I would agree with you with regards eyesign as I use it for breeding papacies plus the pigeons has to fit the type when handling

rainbow wrote:

when I hear best to best  distance must play a big part  best at 120mls and best at 500mls don't make sense to me

George best to best would have to be sprint to sprint or if you concentrate distance to distance

but I have known sprint pigeons which are poor sprinting have been sent to distance races and come back winning big time mate

David wrote:

rainbow wrote:

when I hear best to best  distance must play a big part  best at 120mls and best at 500mls don't make sense to me

I think best to best must be kept within the distance category George, if a fancier concentrated more on sprint racing obviously he would pair sprint to sprint....but I think Geoff cooper said pairing middle distance pigeons into long distance pigeons gives that little bit of speed/vigour and that pairing a sprint bird to a distance bird wouldn't breed the desired offspring....

Your right there David with the comment from Geoff but now distance birds are getting faster and I think this is because of putting a little more speed in to the distance birds as they are ready have the required stamina needed to last the distance JMO

winner to winner and if we have a good pair we will try say sis to the cock of the good pair to a bro of the hen of the good pair are pigeons that have bred winners two and the ones that have not we keep swoping them arond till they bred somethink and after 2-3year if theye bred nothink bye bye

D J LOFTS wrote:

winner to winner and if we have a good pair we will try say sis to the cock of the good pair to a bro of the hen of the good pair are pigeons that have bred winners two and the ones that have not we keep swoping them arond till they bred somethink and after 2-3year if theye bred nothink bye bye

spot on

D J LOFTS wrote:

winner to winner and if we have a good pair we will try say sis to the cock of the good pair to a bro of the hen of the good pair are pigeons that have bred winners two and the ones that have not we keep swoping them arond till they bred somethink and after 2-3year if theye bred nothink bye bye

sounds good to me ....cracking bird in yer avatar m8 atb

the pic he is number 1 stock cock

D J LOFTS wrote:

the pic he is number 1 stock cock

He stands out big time and I bet he's a right character in the loft???

fights all the time so this year we have put him in a pen so we can pair him to 2-3 hens

Good idea

D J LOFTS wrote:

the pic he is number 1 stock cock

is he zwarte ketlair lines ...