young birds dying

who did the test mark...?

think it was the maff but not sure about that

markevans wrote:

he's had the results back from the vet and nothing was found they said that the birds were in good condition and don't no what has caused them to die

There you go every ones worst night mare etc. 17 in the bin an a apparent expert, tells him every thing is a OK basically. After that, I would be pumping the Virkon S into them for a week & then see how many more fall of the perch as such .

if the expert has only tested for the basic problems ie canker, cocci, worms etc and found nothing it seems there are more serious problems afoot......do they do something called a culture as a further test ...?

David wrote:

if the expert has only tested for the basic problems ie canker, cocci, worms etc and found nothing it seems there are more serious problems afoot......do they do something called a culture as a further test ...?

yes they should or could do a culture test but it takes more than a few days a autopsy would have been the best bet which means dissection ...definitely sounds like poisoning to me I would be looking in the garden see what plant lifes about could even be neighbouring garden

yes I agree Darren, the normal worms , cocci etc obviously isn't the problem......its something more sinister........

David wrote:

if the expert has only tested for the basic problems ie canker, cocci, worms etc and found nothing it seems there are more serious problems afoot......do they do something called a culture as a further test ...?

Surely the bloke David would have explained his situation etc with the amount of birds which had died there in his loft, when seeking help from the expert ???. My bones tell me the poor bloke must just about be ready to jump of a cliff, to take the pain away I suspect .

worrying thing is as well knackered, did the birds get this through the race pannier, is it something they have caught off someone else`s birds in the basket...?

David wrote:

worrying thing is as well knackered, did the birds get this through the race pannier, is it something they have caught off someone else`s birds in the basket...?

Many unknown factors at play with this one David I suspect. I would be locking the door of the clubrooms if he come within half a mile of it etc & I would say to him, dont ring me I will ring you but I advise you to not hold your breath waiting for the call . With that being said I would take he has done all the annoculations as required in his area there.

looks like the corn was bad changed it and birds look good again with no more dying going to have it analized and get in touch with the supplier

it doesn't surprise me mark, a couple of years ago my birds went off colour suddenly......someone told me it could be the corn so I changed it and they were back to good health within a short time.....it could depend on how the corn has been stored before we get it, mouse urine or droppings etc, or wild birds in it before it has been bagged.

markevans wrote:

looks like the corn was bad changed it and birds look good again with no more dying going to have it analized and get in touch with the supplier

I'm so pleased he appears to have found the cause of his mis-fortune Mark . Sadly an expensive prise to pay with the loss of his birds there, if that is the cause as suggested above. One just wonders etc if the legal eagles become involved with his issue, where it all could finish up type of thing.  

glad to hear he got to the bottom of it ...corn storage is important for the supplier and at home ,you cant be to careful...cool shed in containers is best mind you i have seen guys with it under the stairs getting nicely mouldy with the heat indoors condensating it inside the bags ...the mould can be invisible to the naked eye

oldstrain wrote:

glad to hear he got to the bottom of it ...corn storage is important for the supplier and at home ,you cant be to careful...cool shed in containers is best mind you i have seen guys with it under the stairs getting nicely mouldy with the heat indoors condensating it inside the bags ...the mould can be invisible to the naked eye

Under the stairs I've seen blokes keep the feed in 44 gallon drums etc outside in all weathers & I didn't have the heart to ask them why. Strange people, pigeon flyers .

David wrote:

it doesn't surprise me mark, a couple of years ago my birds went off colour suddenly......someone told me it could be the corn so I changed it and they were back to good health within a short time.....it could depend on how the corn has been stored before we get it, mouse urine or droppings etc, or wild birds in it before it has been bagged.

Interesting thoughts David . I would think "A fair assessment I believe" I have bought more grain etc from many differant suppliers down here than anyone on this site, even my pal Ray      & never have I had the misfortune under discussion here to loose birds in such numbers as such. In fact I doubt, if I have had 17 fall of the perch dead for any reason in my time, unless old age was involved. I just hope thou the person under discussion here has really come to grips, with what was really causing him some concern etc.

i did hear from a reliable source a pigeon corn supplier in wakefield near me happened to do their own mix.....it was a farm and they kept the corn in large sheds open for wild birds to come and go as they pleased.....so before bagging who knows what nasties this corn was open to.

needless to say they went out of buisnes

I really think something else is a cause of death than dodgy feed. Loose droppings and loss of form can be caused by bad grains.

Death can only be a result of poisoned feed or a serious illness/virus.

Sadly I do not have any suggestions to find the cause except to have a thorough autopsy done on a casualty.

caramel wrote:

I really think something else is a cause of death than dodgy feed. Loose droppings and loss of form can be caused by bad grains.

Death can only be a result of poisoned feed or a serious illness/virus.

Sadly I do not have any suggestions to find the cause except to have a thorough autopsy done on a casualty.

I think your right there caramel

Have been reading with interest. Never had it happen so no opinion. Seed grain from the fields? Planting time here, seeds  coated with pesticides etc,. Mine have basically open loft. So bird droppings etc, I doubt if it is the culprit. I have killed 3 young birds last 2 weeks. Sour crop, loose droppings, just going backwards. Only common thread is they are young from 4 Ganus pigeons, bought last year. One pied Ganus cock and young no problems. I assume that all else being equal, and knowing the fancier, (he died last week) was great at keeping them is super health, meds etc, they did not have the immunity mine have. Obviously just a theory.

halcanada wrote:

Have been reading with interest. Never had it happen so no opinion. Seed grain from the fields? Planting time here, seeds  coated with pesticides etc,. Mine have basically open loft. So bird droppings etc, I doubt if it is the culprit. I have killed 3 young birds last 2 weeks. Sour crop, loose droppings, just going backwards. Only common thread is they are young from 4 Ganus pigeons, bought last year. One pied Ganus cock and young no problems. I assume that all else being equal, and knowing the fancier, (he died last week) was great at keeping them is super health, meds etc, they did not have the immunity mine have. Obviously just a theory.

Great " OLD" minds think a like Hal as when I first read the post by Mark I first thought to my-self this bloke has gone over board with the clean, clean trick there & as you said, the immunity of the pigeons was shot to pieces when they struck trouble in the loft & had nothing to fight the infection/decease what ever it may have been at the time.

does either of you chaps think illness, such as paratyphoid can be carried from parents who have had it to their ybs......could this be the reason some fanciers get poor % of eggs hatching, or regularly only one egg hatching ?

David wrote:

does either of you chaps think illness, such as paratyphoid can be carried from parents who have had it to their ybs......could this be the reason some fanciers get poor % of eggs hatching, or regularly only one egg hatching ?

Paratyphoid, is something I have never experienced etc David here & has not ever been a real concern for those in my area as such for what I know. By what I have read thou it can be passed through into the egg in certain cases I believe & as such would effect the hatching rate at times sadly. History tell's me I have more of a concern with certain birds being carriers of canker & I tend to always find the odd pair that pump out babies with navel canker in the nest, for some reason which can be disappointing at times. On the whole thou I find my birds are as tough as nails & for the most part medication is a non issue here in the breeding season. Except for the old Bi - Carb Soda trick .