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PostSubject: Training Disaster....   Wed Jul 18, 2018 6:10 pm

took my 16 ybs for the first trainer Monday, got 9 back, 7 away.............. Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad

today 2 came home tired and wanting water, one reported in Doncaster, so still 4 unaccounted for so far.


took my 9 which homed on the day a bit further today, after a days rest. and all home before me.... scratch scratch

hows everyone elses training going ?
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PostSubject: Re: Training Disaster....   Wed Jul 18, 2018 7:10 pm

It’s a worry David, took 43 well trained YBS on Monday after 4 hours got 9 home, some worked in yesterday and had 2 this morning, so far we are still 19 away, just about make a YB team for racing
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PostSubject: Re: Training Disaster....   Wed Jul 18, 2018 7:30 pm

sorry to hear that, its disheartening when this happens so early in the season isn't it.....we just got to push on and stick at it, ty get a few races with what we have eh.

I hope more turn in for you .
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PostSubject: Re: Training Disaster....   Wed Jul 18, 2018 7:34 pm

Well from Monday tea time when me and Luke were just about ready to call it a day jump to today and everything looks a bit more rosy, like you say David we have to write it off as a bad one and get on looking after the ones we have left, but it does break you down for a bit, ok, got to try and catch up with everything I’ve been missing while I’ve been away
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PostSubject: Re: Training Disaster....   Wed Jul 18, 2018 7:36 pm

yes that's how I felt Monday, half my team gone.........but you get over it don't you after a couple of days, and carry on. cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Training Disaster....   Wed Jul 18, 2018 8:29 pm

Sorry to hear that lads, my friend took his and he’s friends birds for a toss yesterday and he only got 4 back yesterday and 2 more today. He’s devastated, he paid a fortune for the jan aarden stock birds.
One of he’s friends came back with only 2 tail flights remaining, so it looks like a Bird of prey went into them and scattered them.
St least they know what happened I suppose.
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PostSubject: Re: Training Disaster....   Wed Jul 18, 2018 8:34 pm

that's what I thought had happened to mine steve, thinking about it I remember letting them out surrounded by trees, I didn't see them circle or head off home, maybe a haven for hawks I I didn't realise......today I liberated in a different place further away, and they were all home before me.
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PostSubject: Re: Training Disaster....   Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:10 am

Had mine 35 miles this morning. Third toss. 47 back from 45. Two young strays, banded. Good weather. Hot but not too bad. Young bird losses. Causes are numerous. It is NOT the strain of the pigeon. All being equal healthwise, raptors or weather. But not many train in bad weather, obviously. Raptors are a fact of life. More so in the UK than were I am. Other factors play a part. What they are in the case of people who lose birds I would not hazard a guess. Of course, I may get a wipe out but as of now the birds are ready to race. I am not a beleiver (used to be) in multiple short tosses. But each to their own.
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PostSubject: Re: Training Disaster....   Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:06 am

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It’s a worry David, took 43 well trained YBS on Monday after 4 hours got 9 home, some worked in yesterday and had 2 this morning, so far we are still 19 away, just about make a YB team for racing
I suggest its a real worry in many places with your type of scenario Lofty for the Mr average pigeon flyer etc. My Geordie mate Wink Wink on Saturday went to the club with 40 odd bids in his clock after 40 minutes (good returns) & hardly saw another pigeon & finished up dropping 19 unfortunately. Work mate of my mate, the little fat bloke Smile Smile top draw flyer Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes went with 20 birds in the clock for the pull over & only saw 1 more bird to finish up also loosing 19 birds sadly Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad. Cruel thing about what appears to be happening in many places, is you tend to get birds home bounce bounce at times that one doesn't quite rate with some of those that you may loose sadly along the way etc. cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Training Disaster....   Thu Jul 19, 2018 7:14 am

sorry to hear david,roy its a nightmare this year from what I am hearing its seems worse this year ,we have lost 5 around the loft whith various injuries some in the sick bay others had to go but we had our 1st toss from 12 miles on Tuesday and got 20/22 we are going again today ...will only have 5/6 tosses from the same place that's their ideal breaking point so no further than 12 miles for us doing things a bit different this year with the ybs due to the bops en-route

2nd toss went very well all in the loft on arrival we watched them halfway home they took a few minutes to clear but took the correct line away from the motorway and river which really pleased me
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PostSubject: Re: Training Disaster....   Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:08 pm

That’s encouraging Darren.
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PostSubject: Re: Training Disaster....   Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:18 pm

mine been again today, they seem to take a while to set off for home, circling round for quite a while......but all home before me. Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Training Disaster....   Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:37 pm

If everyone is having problems with training and losing young birds, then there may be a common problem'

The weather during the past two or three months has been unusual to say the least and very hot and humid, ideal for the onset of dehydration.

Lack of water being the main course.

Now pigeons are not as daft as some fanciers think, they can detect additives in the water and will, if they dislike what they detect and there is no alternative, then they will drink as little as possible and they will not know if the fancier is going to send them down the road etc' and will need more.

I also think it detrimental to send a pigeon anywhere when hungry, if a fancier cannot train his/her pigeons to trap for the love of the loft ???.

Raptors are and from now on will be a problem, there is no prospect of finding a solution, so as upsetting this is, what is as bad is not knowing if those lost were the potential champions

If you have naturally healthy pigeon conditioned in the right manner from being born not needing either preventative nor curative remedies it is a sound start.

However, no fancier can make arrangements to meet every posdible problem and that is a fact.

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PostSubject: Re: Training Disaster....   Thu Jul 19, 2018 6:36 pm

David wrote:
mine been again today, they seem to take a while to set off for home, circling round for quite a while......but all home before me. Very Happy

good news david
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PostSubject: Re: Training Disaster....   Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:24 pm

Had one back from Newport today, 25 miles in the opposite direction of where they were supposed to come, go figure eh.
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PostSubject: Re: Training Disaster....   Fri Jul 20, 2018 10:43 am

We had a bad one at beginning of the week..down to 4 missing approximately from 101..some stopped as still very tired but not bad
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PostSubject: Re: Training Disaster....   Fri Jul 20, 2018 11:07 am

Lads Down here are getting it bad, even worse the further west you go into camarthen and Pembroke , john norm would know, they’ve been getting absolutely hammered training YBS.
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PostSubject: Re: Training Disaster....   Fri Jul 20, 2018 11:09 am

Not good
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PostSubject: Re: Training Disaster....   Fri Jul 20, 2018 12:39 pm

3rd toss today same place all home Smile


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PostSubject: Re: Training Disaster....   Fri Jul 20, 2018 2:16 pm

glad to hear they are coming nicely Darren...... Razz Razz
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PostSubject: Re: Training Disaster....   Sat Jul 21, 2018 6:59 pm

update, just gone over the loft, and another bird back from Mondays training, thin , flown down and very thirsty........still 4 away Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad
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PostSubject: Re: Training Disaster....   Sat Jul 21, 2018 8:15 pm

like I said david your van reets are a brave bird well done to that yb its got some balls Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Training Disaster....   Sun Jul 22, 2018 4:41 am

oldstrain wrote:
like I said david your van reets are a brave bird well done to that yb its got some balls Wink
Maybe so O/S lol! lol! lol! "Balls" Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes but I suggest Wink Wink more will be required there etc bounce bounce than a pair of them, if it's going to cut the mustard in  the end as such Smile Smile. cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Training Disaster....   Mon Jul 23, 2018 11:14 am

had our 4th toss this morning once the mist lifted all went well and were home on arrival
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PostSubject: Re: Training Disaster....   Mon Jul 23, 2018 11:39 am

I think, believe seriously, that a good improvement would be achieved if some of you swapped, borrowed or exchanged 6 cock birds for another member to x with 6 hens of yours. Or six hens for the same, six hens.
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