Thoughts on true race position

If a small club sends 200 birds but there's a partnership in that club sends 100 of theirs and wins the race, have they really won "1st club 200 birds" when they have in reality beaten 100 other birds from other lofts?
To be first out of 200 birds you are beating yourself, your own other 99 birds, in that result. Can you beat yourself?
I know this is how it's always been and you see it more and more these days especially when certain fanciers are advertising!

barnie, I brought this up when they started using coefficient as a means of comparison.

It was as you say stupid when your own pigeons are included in the number entered.

I gave several examples and they stopped using it.

It was in both the RP and BHW.

I suggested having the number of the birds a fancier entered on the prize cards.

All it needed was 120/100.

But that would not help to sell pigeons, what it would do is give a fairer assessment of the result.

Regards.

totally agree yer other entries should not be included as beaten birds ...on average they send 16-20 old birds tot he race at my club and 2 members will send 30-40 i think we are the smallest/least birdage senders in our club we average 8 entries each race but that will go up this year to 12 ,so long as the birds keep coming anyway ,all said and done send what ya like and pigeon racing aint fair anyway with wind,loft position,clocking system and a few more reasons that are debatable

There is nothing wrong in a fancier sending as many as he/she wants.

They pay the extra in doing so in every way.

As oldstrain says there is nothing fair about pigeon racing it is impossible to cater for all the anomalies.

But to give false impressions of a result is not sporting.

Funny but when those sending more than half the birds enter two bird races ????.

In the clubs I flew in there were no mob flyers, most of the time there were limits due to the basket situation on the transporters etc;

Afraid the best thing to do until there are not enough fanciers to make it a viable sport is JUST ENJOY IT WHILST YOU CAN.


Regards.

oldstrain wrote:

totally agree yer other entries should not be included as beaten birds ...on average they send 16-20 old birds tot he race at my club and 2 members will send 30-40 i think we are the smallest/least birdage senders in our club we average 8 entries each race but that will go up this year to 12 ,so long as the birds keep coming anyway ,all said and done send what ya like and pigeon racing aint fair anyway with wind,loft position,clocking system and a few more reasons that are debatable

True O/S talk about fairness etc & on the whole, the pigeon racing scenario is a mugs game I suggest, for mugs      Closest one gets to being fair as such I suspect, is if every one is racing to the same allotment, maybe .

MISTY wrote:

barnie, I brought this up when they started using coefficient as a means of comparison.

It was as you say stupid when your own pigeons are included in the number entered.

I gave several examples and they stopped using it.

It  was in both the RP and BHW.

I suggested having the number of the birds a fancier entered on the  prize cards.

All it needed was 120/100.

But that would not help to sell pigeons, what it would do is give a fairer assessment of the result.

Regards.

Misty

I couldn't agree more, show what the fancier is sending and racing against nothing wrong with that at all, there is nothing to hide hey

Its all about the numbers game now days

Its not about the average fancier sending 10-12 pigeons its about making sure you have a chance off getting pigeons in the first batch


Like I have said in the past give me a 2 bird, 3 bird and 5 bird club any day no mob flying even keel for all fanciers

You never see the mob flyers dominate that type off club flying hey

I have a friend who lives in Malta

Every fancier in Malta is only allowed to send 10 pigeons from there loft to race

In Malta they have large number due to large losses

I have asked my friend this if you had 70 pigeons would you be able to send them and his answer is yes but I am only allowed to nom 10 pigeons to be entered in the actual race, the other 60 would go as trainers

Now I ask you with 70 pigeons can you find your 10 best

I think the answer would be now but you would pick what you think is your best 10


In the past my friend has sent trainers and pigeons which he thought were not ready have beaten his racers

Food for thought lads

Don Webb wrote:

Its all about the numbers game now days

Its not about the average fancier sending 10-12 pigeons its about making sure you have a chance off getting pigeons in the first batch


Like I have said in the past give me a 2 bird, 3 bird and 5 bird club any day no mob flying even keel for all fanciers

You never see the mob flyers dominate that type off club flying hey

Very true about a pigeon being in the first batch away.

In many races the result, bar for mishaps on the way is decided at the liberation point.

The more a fancier sends the better the chance of one being in that batch.

Seen liberations where a number of the entries still flying round the liberation site when some would be miles on the way home.


Once they decide to leave they may, deducting the time flying round the liberation site, be faster than the WINNER.

That is often why a previous none hoper romps home having never been in the first batch previously.

Funny old game this pigeon lark.

thats pretty much the game misty ...races are won at the liberation point

Glad this gave something to debate, my own thoughts are lads can keep and send how many they want for me, their choice not a problem with that.
It's when the professional or semi professionals advertise their results but when you delve into the facts, well sometimes they are the only loft sending in the September races!

barnie wrote:

Glad this gave something to debate, my own thoughts are lads can keep and send how many they want for me, their choice not a problem with that.
It's when the professional or semi professionals advertise their results but when you delve into the facts, well sometimes they are the only loft sending in the September races!

Spin & bling & Buyer beware etc I suggest Barnie . Due diligence & common sense should always come to the fore when on the lookout out for new blood for ones loft I suggest .
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Don Webb wrote:

I have a friend who lives in Malta

Every fancier in Malta is only allowed to send 10 pigeons from there loft to race

In Malta they have large number due to large losses

I have asked my friend this if you had 70 pigeons would you be able to send them and his answer is yes but I am only allowed to nom 10 pigeons to be entered in the actual race, the other 60 would go as trainers

Now I ask you with 70 pigeons can you find your 10 best

I think the answer would be now but you would pick what you think is your best 10


In the past my friend has sent trainers and pigeons which he thought were not ready have beaten his racers

Food for thought lads  

That's  just the chook farmer/herd mentality at play I suggest etc Don Same down here I'm . Go back in time & pools were a big thing here, because basically most kept small numbers to race. Now the pool situation is some what of a total farce here on average, with very few even bothering attempting to pick their pool/clock bird come race day .

barnie wrote:

Glad this gave something to debate, my own thoughts are lads can keep and send how many they want for me, their choice not a problem with that.
It's when the professional or semi professionals advertise their results but when you delve into the facts, well sometimes they are the only loft sending in the September races!

Barnie I couldn't agree more


There is one fancier in my area who advertised in 3 years won

75 x 1st
75 x 2nd
75 x 3rd
75 x 4th

and sold youngsters from stock from £250 upwards and £100 from the race birds

But what a lot off fanciers didn't realise was the fancier advertising was the only fancier sending in the club winning 1,2,3,4 every week

Thats why I say do your homework before buying