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Hi all,

I found this article on Garlic. Sorry but I do not recall who write it but it is a very well informed person. Of course, the article is quite advance and the use of all those technical terms are not easy but please have a look on the important item in it! It is a long article that give ALL information we might need.

''Since I am one who uses and recommends garlic often, for health and rehab for pigeons, I thought I would give everyone vital information as to why it is so great to use in times of sickness as well as health.

This is one natural food that not only has tremendous healing building potential, but amazing disease fighting ability as well.

First I'm going to talk about the key to garlic, stabilized allicin. Sniff a garlic bulb and you won't detect any odour. That is the odourless amino acid, allicin in the clove. Once the clove is crushed, you can smell it that is when allicin comes in contact with an enzyme allinase. The reaction of these two compounds produces allicin, which is the key to its characteristic odour, as well as its healing properties. Allicin is then transformed into several additional sulphur compounds which also have healing and medicinal properties.

Because the odour is a key to goodness be careful when purchasing one for your pigeons, as some brands that do remove the odour will also remove its healing power as well. The most effective form of garlic in supplement form should use a cool-dried process. Look for a stabilized allicin, usually in capsule, it has a proven track record to gently clear harmful pathogens, especially those contained in miniature, multi compartmented cities called biofilms-99% of all infections in the body live in bio films.


Stabilized allicin has demonstrated significant antibacterial, antifungal, larvicidal and antiviral properties, according to the following information extracted from Premier Product¢s literature:

Antibacterial Activity of Allicin

Various researchers have shown that garlic extracts exhibit a wide spectrum of antibacterial activity against gram-negative and gram-positive bacteria, including species of Escherichia, Salmonella, Staphylococcus, Streptococcus, Klebsiella, Proteus, Bacillus, and Clostridium.

Even acid-fast bacteria such as Mycobacterium tuberculosis are sensitive to garlic. Research shows that garlic extracts are effective against Helicobacter pylori, the cause of gastric ulcers. Garlic extracts can also prevent the formation of Staphylococcus enterotoxns A, B and C1 and also thermo nuclease. Research shows the antibacterial action of garlic is mainly due to allicin. Interestingly allicin has also been proven to be effective against various bacterial strains resistant to antibiotics such as Methicillin Resistant Staphylococcus Aureus as well as multi-drug-resistant enterotoxicogenic strains of Escheria coli, Enterococcus, Shigella dysenteriae, S. flexneni and S. sonnei cells.

Antifungal Activity of Allicin

Garlic extracts have also shown, in research, to have a strong antifungal effect and inhibit formation of mycotoxins like the aflatoxin of Aspergillus parasiticus. Another study showed the fungistatic and fungicidal activity of a highly concentrated garlic extract against Cryptococcus neoformans. Pure allicin was found to have a high anti-Candida activity and was effective against various species of Candida, Cryptococcous, Trichophyton, Epidermphyton and Microsporum. Allicin inhibited both germination of spores and growth of hyphae.

Antiparasitic Properties of Allicin

Freshly crushed garlic has been used to treat intestinal worms as it has an anti parasitic effect. Recent research shows that allicin is also effective against Entoameba histolyctica, a human intestinal protozoan parasite. Stabilized allicin has also very efficiently inhibited the growth of other protozoan parasites such as Giardia lamblia, Leishmania major, Leptomonas colosoma and Crithidia fasciculate.

Antiviral Activity of Allicin

Fresh garlic extracts in which allicin is the main component have shown in vitro and in vivo antiviral activity, including effectiveness against the human cytomegalovirus, influenza B, herpes simplex virus type 1, herpes simplex virus type 2, Para influenza virus type 3, vaccinia virus, vesicular stomatitis virus and human rhinovirus type 2.

The allicin condensation product, ajoene, appears to have more antiviral activity in general than allicin. Ajoene was found to block the integrin-dependent processes of human immunodeficiency virus-infected cell system.

Allicin and the Common Cold

Research shows that garlic extracts are effective against numerous viruses that cause colds and flu. Evidence points towards allicin and ajoene as the main components responsible for this antiviral activity. Studies showed that daily intake of stabilized allicin produced significant protection from the common cold virus as well as benefits of prevention, treatment and reduction of re-infection from colds.


OTHER BENEFITS OF GARLIC

* Strengthens blood vessels and lowers blood pressure

* Great natural antibiotic-protects against & fights infections

* digestive aid & disorders

* anti-inflammatory

* to combat respiratory problems

* to treat fungal/yeast infections

* to alleviate sinus problems

* immune system stimulant

* aids in circulatory problems

* purifies the blood

* Detoxifies the body

* Aids in arteriosclerosis, ulcers, liver disease, & heart disorders


I have used the soft gel garlic caps and have seen noticeable results in my pigeons. I have used it daily for birds in rehab and see better results the longer it is used. It can be used to treat birds in general, for injuries and disease, in any case, it strengthens the immune system and plays a vital roll in recovery. If it was economical and didn't take so much time, I probably would pop a soft gel garlic cap down each of my birds daily as it is so beneficial.

Here is the garlic soft gel i am currently using: *http://www.nowcatalog.com/1792.html

In the future, I hope to try the stabilized allicin, upon approval of the manufacturer.

As is the case, for prevention, I use the garlic clove in the bird¢s water a few times a week. The problem is the smell will cause the birds not to drink as readily as they should. If you do use it in their water start with a clove to a gallon, and if they refuse to drink the amount they normally do, use less. If you use a plastic drinker, the smell may permeate the plastic, (if it is a poor quality plastic) and that may further repel the birds to drink enough of it. It is best to use a ceramic drinker, or even a galvanized drinker, (available thru the pigeon supply houses). The point is, for the birds to get enough of the "goodness" of garlic, they need to drink their normal drinking quota.

When using garlic for medicinal reasons, it is better to double the amount used for preventive purposes. The garlic capsules enable the birds to get a more concentrated dose of garlic then the clove in the water.

The only time I don't use garlic, is when the bird has an upset stomach, or if it is a youngster under 6 weeks of age.

I'm also looking into using other garlic products in the future, that are actually stabilized allicin.

I hope this will help those of you who are not using garlic, or those of you only using it for prevention, to take a second look at both its prevention and healing qualities.''

Specially selected for our pigeon friends by:

Raymond Julien,
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PostSubject: Re: Garlic article   Garlic article EmptySat Aug 29, 2020 9:04 am

Used and advocated the used of garlic in the water every day for over 50 years.

No need for anything else, but the commercial boys know better.

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Very interesting!
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PostSubject: Re: Garlic article   Garlic article EmptySat Aug 29, 2020 2:05 pm

use capsules myself, the ones high in allicin, cost effective one capsule to 20 birds mix on the corn, couple times a week, sprinkle with charcoal powder or cinnamon now and again. Next morning droppings always like marbles.
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PostSubject: Re: Garlic article   Garlic article EmptySat Aug 29, 2020 2:48 pm

Just crushed a a sectionn of a clove, never bothered what size it was and put it in the drinkers, changed it when I thought I ought to, young were receiving it from birth, the parents could have had a drink from the pond but the drinkers were always needing topping up.

Found throughout my involvement regimentation is one way natures way better.

I also always used lime in deep litter.

Would never have kept ROBOTS as opposed to open loft.

I cannot claim my pigeons never had any health problems, what I can claim if they did they were receiving the life that enabled them to deal with it without showing it.or it affecting performance.

Can see no sense or reason in using in using commercial products when the real thing is available.

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PostSubject: Re: Garlic article   Garlic article EmptySun Aug 30, 2020 1:15 pm

I think lime can be as big an aid to the health of our feathered friends as anything.

I feel it deals with certain nasties better than anything.

Many fanciers pay fancy prices for powder with perfume to please the fancier and visiting friends etc;

The fact is if you look at the actual make up of these they are either lime or chalk based and just turned into cosmetics and in all probability all the benifits havig been removed.

A pigeon likes the smell created by other pigeons not by man.

Athough they do like the smell of aniseed.

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PostSubject: Re: Garlic article   Garlic article EmptySun Aug 30, 2020 3:41 pm

I always think of garlic as the opposite of Penicillin.
A before guard.

Like having a 'Hindsight'before a 'Foresite'.
A preventive and good for the blood etc.
Mind hardly used it. Oft times of course, had the desire on feeds / water etc.
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Yes Daz, always thought prevention better than cure.

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PostSubject: Re: Garlic article   Garlic article EmptyWed Sep 02, 2020 10:21 am

went through a phase at one time, having a garlic clove in the water 24/7, but decided there were no obvious benefits to it.........birds still occasionally got ill, and also they never looked any healthier .....

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I feel that there is a benefit David. Mind A. if a case of keeping them fit for purpose and over time one gets used to their fitness/condition and hence seem no improvement, where at it has achieved and is maintaining i. Smile  Benifit unseen, where as ailments are.
secondarily I fear Concerns bolster and make enhance adverts and money making.

Its like a fellow saying 'I ran 5 miles every day! But came a time when I thought I wasn't acheiving anything. So I went to the local gym and did some wieghts. You know i felt beter. Different, as if I had more energy an strength inmy arms and upper body'!
Standard achieved? Maintained. different fitnesses to suit.

When I joined the Harriers - wasn't as I thought etc. but learned why later. I had a great mate called Tony who actually represent Ireland in the Marathons.
Now I could run forever, but not to any good standard.
I would run in the mornings. At night do a cross country run. Run down to the gym and do all the exercises and spar all night long and run home EASY!
Tony joined the boxing club. Never got a fight try as he would. He left us, not really understanding why he was never matched. Spoke to him a couple of year back and explained it to him. Tony, you can run marathons AT A GOOD STANDARD.- But you never could go three rounds sparring! A different fitness. Well it dawned on him.
I was fair at football. But Boxing manager said Choose. Boxing or Football! A. if you get hurt saturday afternoon you wouldn't be able prehaps to fight that night. Besides the legs will put a littl wieght on. etc. etc. I chose Boxing. Sometimes would turnout for our team - The boxing club was part of a 'Boy's youth club that did many sports etc. etc. if against a team of dirty players or man short lol. Was I very fit? Certainly. But when I gave up boxing I was asked by some football teams to play for them. I tried, and was told I would get back to a decent standard if I pesevered. I was a yard short.

Fit men train to get fitter!

Likewise all sports and pigeons.
they become Mentally and physically fit of a 'Fighting Wieght. then get loft fitness. then Race fitness. etc.

Same as Garlic. It gets - I believe - the blood etc. cleansed etc. etc and immune system for many things.
It keeps that, but it isn't necessarily noticed.
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PostSubject: Re: Garlic article   Garlic article EmptyWed Sep 02, 2020 3:31 pm

Think one of the faults of pigeon fanciers, they think there are miracle cures and aids to success that happen at the drop of a hat.

No good trying garlic for a short time and dropping it because your pigions still got problems.

Then hearing about this and that from Tom Dock and Harry and trying that.

If your pigeons have health problems garlic is not a cure.

It takes years using garlic to improve the immune system along with maybe having health problems in the initial stages.

The same with lime which deals both with cetain nasties and ensures (as important as anything) a dry and clean air loft

Never bothered about the temprature in the loft better as the outside riight thoughout the seasons (NATURE).

All I know is my pigeons were always healthy whilst many using everything but the kitchen sink had everything going.

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PostSubject: Re: Garlic article   Garlic article EmptyWed Sep 02, 2020 10:00 pm

lime misty ....... affraid terrible stuff, i last used that in the 86`s, before this loft floor whitener became available, used to burn ya lungs and nostrils , im sure thats why my lungs are scarred now .
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PostSubject: Re: Garlic article   Garlic article EmptyThu Sep 03, 2020 6:33 am

Agree David, if that's builder's lime known as burnt lime, it's extremely caustic, causes lung damage and burns to the eye and skin. Many places have banned it's use including my employer. Staff who have been exposed to it in the past must have an annual lung function test carried out to monitor their health where I work.

Maybe garden lime which I think is pretty much chalk dust, is the safe option although I can't comment having never used it. I think it reduces the acid in soils, maybe keen gardeners can explain more? But there are 2 different types of lime available and I'm guessing builders lime wouldn't be good for any livestock considering the dangers it exposes humans to. At the end of the day any type of dust in larger amounts is harmful in my experience.
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Was weighman for a company that had three kilns to burn the limecstone, they also had their own quary to obtain the stone.

I used to send the burnt limestone to the steel works in both England and Scotland by rail, used to flux the steel.

I had a side line with the local farmers who also used it.

There was of course rules regarding the handling of etc;

However, a good friend lost his life when he fell into one of the kilns.

The first time I cooled the lime down was when I put a few pieces into a pastic bucket and added water, the bucket melted.

As with everything, you use your common sense.

I used sharp sand and lime deep litter, never changed at one time for 40 years, initialy burnt lime used to take any moisture from the sand and more added when needed relative to droppings etc;

Think practice better than theory.

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Forgot, used to use thick limewash to all inside of the loft every year.

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only powder i ever use in the loft is diatomaceous earth in the boxes it kills all the parasites which are underestimated regards disease and can also be made into a slurry topaint walls if you have a bad mite problem in the loft often used in chicken coups ....i would imagine the lime would settle in the sand but would not want it down all the time myself but being as pigeons have 9 air sacs and 4 sub air sacs and rely heavily on there respiratory system i would imagine they would pick up on any issue with it atb
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Think Hal mentioned it seveal times previously and he also used it.(Diatomaceous Earth)

Think if I had it wrong it would have manifested it's self within 59 years.

When I was very young all the miners used lime.

Healthier pigeons by far than those of today.

Theories are just that, results fact.

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I just carried on realy from when I had pigeons at a very young age copied what the miners did and then modified it along the way.

Never read or took any notice of what others were doing, they were having all the problems.

But just had a look around to see if any top fanciers used lime etc;

There are several one being Cattrysse-Beuselinck, interesting.

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i suppose they used whatever they could get hold of misty, columbine floor whitener wasnt available in them days


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Is powdered lime dangerous?
Because lime can be such an irritating substance, it goes without saying that it can be dangerous for pets exposed to large amounts of lime dust. Breathing in powdered lime can cause burning in the nose and throat, as well as more severe damage to the lungs and esophagus.
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Always reconmended Garden Lime. One has to look to make sure it's Garden lime.
I, also used to paint a thick solution all over the loft each year, and covered to if and when need.
Rubbed in with a damp cloth. So as not to get in the birds, or your etes.

Had #Deep litter' last few years. But would clean that away every 6 weeks or so. Fine spray of water and justed scooped up and shovelle into a bag/sack.
Left some old stuff down always. Then used a handfuls of a lime cover. then 6inch inchesof deep litter cover. Some only ever clean out Deep little yearly or so. But I feel much is then trod under foot and into the garden and house. So , as I daren't upset joyce at all... took care lol Wink

Will say lungs felt fresh next day ... maybe that wasn't so good and a bit more care could/should have been taken.
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David, most of the commercial floor dressings are lime or chalk based just mucked around with and perfume added which no doubt irritates our feathered friends.

If you misuse anything it can be an irritation common sense dictates how you use anything.

Lime used in a proper manner is better than anything else to keep the loft damp free and bug free.

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