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PostSubject: the use of garlic   the use of garlic EmptyWed Jul 15, 2009 8:51 pm

The use of garlic in pigeons? It is a popular, widely used product, but solid,
scientific information on its effects in pigeons seems to be scarce. Everything from cloves of garlic to powders, pills and oils are available in health food stores, grocery stores and by companies selling products for pigeons. Are there any real benefits, or are the "benefits" in the eye of the beholder, i.e. the fancier who uses garlic products? Everyone seems to have an opinion, but are there many facts? Little scientific information for racing pigeons seems to be readily available, but it should be possible to extrapolate information from work done in humans and laboratory animals to pigeons.

Firstly (and foremostly), logic based on a number of studies, says that the very best source of the good effects of garlic is fresh cloves of garlic. Manufacturing procedures in the preparation of garlic powders, liquids and oils can vary considerably, and since important, active compounds in garlic can be lost very easily when garlic is processed to produce these liquids and powders, etc., it seems best to avoid these products as they may contain few, if any, of the useful compounds in garlic. Further, it is best to crush cloves of garlic, and add them directly to drinking water for pigeons, rather than heating or boiling them, to avoid losing a number of key chemicals in the cloves. Remember that heating garlic cloves above 60oC (140oF) can cause the loss of odour and medicinal properties.

Secondly, garlic may provide a temporary antibiotic effect on disease-producing bacteria, fungi and yeasts, both in the digestive tract and body tissues, by reducing their numbers during the period that it is in the drinking water. Thirdly, the trace minerals selenium and germanium present in garlic may give a boost to the immune system of pigeons, to increase their ability to fight disease-producing organisms of many kinds. In domestic livestock, selenium is known to be important in the normal development of the immune system while the animal is growing in the uterus. A deficiency of selenium and Vitamin E has a definite adverse effect, because in such deficiencies, the development of the immune system is retarded. As a result, the newborn animal or bird may be completely or severely restricted from protecting itself against invading organisms of all kinds.

Fourthly, although dissolving blood clots (the cause of heart attacks and strokes in humans) or preventing their formation in the arteries of humans is important in human medicine, it is known that racing pigeons are highly resistant to the buildup of fatty substances in their arteries. In humans, these fatty substances may clog blood vessels or they may induce the formation of a clot at the point where the vessel is narrowed by the fatty deposits, and result in a heart attack or stroke. In contrast to racing pigeons, some meat-producing breeds of pigeons are very susceptible to a buildup of fatty substances in their vessels. So garlic might be of benefit to meat varieties of pigeons, but as racing pigeons are highly resistant to this type of buildup, the benefit might not be so great in the blood vessels of racing pigeons.

Fifthly, garlic as a de-toxifying agent could have a role as a "blood purifier" or a "tissue purifier", so to speak -- whatever these phrases may mean, since they can and do cloak a great deal of the ignorance we all share on this subject. Both are meaningless expressions that really don't explain anything, but they are used commonly in the mystique of pigeon racing! That aside, there are indications that chemical compounds in garlic may assist the body to de-toxify, neutralize or eliminate noxious substances. In pigeons, the use of garlic after a race may assist the so-called "depurative" diets -- whatever that might mean -- in restoring a bird to normal racing condition. Whether lactic acidosis is a real problem in returned racers is still debatable, in my opinion. Because fat is unquestionably the major fuel for racing, and because the burning of fat for energy by racing birds is an aerobic process in the body, lactic acid-- which results when glycogen is used as fuel in an anaerobic process -- should not be produced, at least in any great amount. Braking and landing at the end of a race are very likely anaerobic processes, but the amount of lactic acid produced from such rapidly occurring events should be miniscule. In theory, if it could be shown that birds actually sprint the last few miles of a race, much as a human marathon runner might sprint the last 100 yards or so, then there could be a good basis for believing that lactic acid -- one of the so-called "impurities" in the blood -- is produced, and that it needs to be eliminated. Lactic acid is known to be produced in human distance runners who sprint the last leg of a race. However, in most cases, usually a 20 minute "cool-down" walk will effectively "burn off" or eliminate the lactic acid from the system. It is known that pigeons that are not exercised reasonably soon after a long grueling race may develop marked swelling of the breast muscles that become hard and board-like. The birds become "tied up" and have difficulty flying from the floor to the lowest perches or nest boxes. Given this knowledge, it is possible, and indeed likely, that lactic acidosis is involved in such situations and that early workouts after a race would eliminate this problem. It is also possible that the use of crushed garlic cloves in drinking water at this time might add some extra benefit in allowing the liver and other organs to metabolize lactic acid and other compounds, and to help restore the birds to normal racing condition. I am aware that there are certain claims by fanciers about the use of garlic in dealing with problems in the respiratory (breathing) system of pigeons. Unfortunately, there was just nothing in the literature that was available to me to indicate that garlic was useful in dealing with the sinuses, trachea (windpipe) or lungs. This is not to say that garlic isn't useful in these organs - it's just that I didn't read any reference to the effects of garlic on the respiratory system. Dosages of garlic for pigeons are difficult to come by, particularly since there is such variability in the amount of the key chemical, allicin, (which is converted to the active compound allicin), in garlic cloves.

Garlic in racing pigeons remains quite an enigma, and as fanciers, many of us use it without really knowing why, but our ignorance is shared by many people, including the human and veterinary medical communities, who have only tantalizing bits of information to suggest that there may be a number of positive effects from the use of garlic. Certainly, as indicated earlier in this article, studies in laboratory animals and humans suggest a number of desirable effects from the use of garlic. Whether these effects apply directly to racing pigeons is just not known at this time. However, present evidence from human and laboratory animal work, and the empirical experience of many fanciers, suggest that, when used judiciously, crushed cloves of garlic, used in drinking water, may be a useful product in the loft throughout the year, but especially during rearing and the racing season. At present, garlic-based oils, powders and pills are likely much less useful. Possibly newer developments in extracting the active principles of garlic may get around the present problems associated with current methods. Until these problems are solved, fresh cloves of garlic from the grocery store are still the best source of the medicinal properties of garlic. I hope that this sketchy outline of the potential value of garlic, and some of its risks, may stimulate more controlled research on its value (or lack of) in racing pigeons. There is much to learn! This merely scratches the surface.
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PostSubject: Re: the use of garlic   the use of garlic EmptyWed Jul 15, 2009 9:00 pm

Once a week, 1 to 2 tablespoons of apple cider vinegar to a gallon water for good gut PH at a level that bacteria, such as Salmonella and E Coli don't like, and most likely will not thrive in the crop. I recommend the organic ACV from the health food store as it has the "mother" in it. You can also give the birds probiotics at this time, as the ACV favors good bacteria over bad bacteria. ACV provides a favorable environment for the good gut bacteria to repopulate.
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PostSubject: Re: the use of garlic   the use of garlic EmptyWed Jul 15, 2009 9:01 pm

INTERNAL BENEFITS:

* Rich in enzymes & potassium
* Support a healthy immune system
* Helps control weight
* Promotes digestion & ph Balance
* Helps soothe dry throats
* Helps remove body sludge toxins

external benifits

* Helps maintain healthy skin
* Helps promote youthful, healthy bodies
* Soothes irritated skin
* Relieves muscle pain from exercise
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PostSubject: Re: the use of garlic   the use of garlic EmptyThu Jul 16, 2009 7:59 pm

great info about garlic ian, ive always known it was good for the birds but didnt know quite why.....very interesting thanks ian. Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: the use of garlic   the use of garlic EmptyThu Jul 16, 2009 8:01 pm

just goes to show as well with the cider vinegar, natural things we can get from the shop are great for our birds......we dont need to spend a fortune on potions from the pigeon supplies. Very Happy
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yes now when you put garlic in the water you now what its doing
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PostSubject: Re: the use of garlic   the use of garlic EmptyFri Jul 17, 2009 6:42 pm

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just goes to show as well with the cider vinegar, natural things we can get from the shop are great for our birds......we dont need to spend a fortune on potions from the pigeon supplies. Very Happy

That is true David. My opinion would be to get them healthy with real medicine, and use the natural things like garlic and applecider vinegar, honey etc. to maintain their health.
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That is true David. My opinion would be to get them healthy with real medicine, and use the natural things like garlic and applecider vinegar, honey etc. to maintain their health.[/quote]


yes niel, natural things like you say are just as good if not better than some of the expensive things sold in pigeon supply shops....
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PostSubject: Re: the use of garlic   the use of garlic EmptyFri Jul 17, 2009 7:46 pm

lol! Natural products
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PostSubject: Re: the use of garlic   the use of garlic EmptyFri Jul 17, 2009 7:50 pm

heard some put a rusty nail in the water or iron.....
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PostSubject: Re: the use of garlic   the use of garlic EmptyFri Jul 17, 2009 7:54 pm

I have heard that too ........ Question Im not sure about it.
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PostSubject: Re: the use of garlic   the use of garlic EmptyFri Jul 17, 2009 7:58 pm

no, never tried it although it might be ok....i once got some iron tonic from chemist and that was good stuff, dont know if they will do it for you nowadays though.... pale
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david got some ferglobin which is an iron tonic from holland and barratts
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oh did you ian, what do you recon to it ? how much iron do you put to water ?
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i put in 5ml to 3 litre drinker
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Ian, have you used it, if so, did you noticed better results?
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yes ian, how long have you used it for and have you noticed any difference ?
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would it be good when rearing ybs ?
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to be perfectly honest used it for about a couple of months and have not noticed any difference
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mind you, depends whats going on inside the bird maybe....might not be able to see any difference but doesnt mean there isnt any. Very Happy
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yes i suppose your right just like to see some thing happening never know with the youngbirds
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PostSubject: Re: the use of garlic   the use of garlic EmptyFri Jul 17, 2009 8:33 pm

dont think there is a magig potion to make winners do you ian, good bird and sound management are the key, dont you think ?
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yes your right you get back what you put in wish there was a potion tho lol!
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dont we all ian, i dont think theres a fancier out there who isnt searching do you... lol!
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