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Yes, it it a very difficult and complicated  issue, LIFE.

When you stood contemplating nature Knackered did it not occur to you how why and when that before you came about, and was there  a reason for it all ?.

If you picked up the most basic thing like a spoon and were told it just came about on it's own you would think it a mad statement.

So how much more madness is involved in thinking that life just CAME ABOUT, animal, vegitable and mineral, not forgetting humans.

Mankind through lack of respect for God has reached the depths we now find the World in, he has ignored all that which was given as instructions for a long and happy life  and after which, when Satan has been dealt with, the earth will return along with those who stay true to God to the original state God intended.

On the other hand, if you believe everything just CAME ABOUT and you consider the state the world is in it will not be in a fit state for animal, vagitable or mineral within a very short time.

Me thinks considering facts regarding the prospects of mankind finding a solution to the earths problems, the list far too long to list, is a good starting point.

Regards.

Well Ray, 'you live and die' What's the point in that?. As to all going to heaven... That is simply not true. Nor a biblical teaching ... just a pagan one that pagan religion's tickle ears with, in their falsehoods lol.
As you have stated before... which I agreed saying 'No wonder people turn away from believing.

Any way Ray, like I say, I respect your views and thoughts and your ability to reason.

Thank you for respecting my views , hand on heart I wish there was something after death I really do because like most I hope there is something after all this   but one day I suppose I will find out , just wish I could tell other if there is life after death

MISTY wrote:

Yes, it it a very difficult and complicated  issue, LIFE.

When you stood contemplating nature Knackered did it not occur to you how why and when that before you came about, and was there  a reason for it all ?.

If you picked up the most basic thing like a spoon and were told it just came about on it's own you would think it a mad statement.

So how much more madness is involved in thinking that life just CAME ABOUT, animal, vegitable and mineral, not forgetting humans.

Mankind through lack of respect for God has reached the depths we now find the World in, he has ignored all that which was given as instructions for a long and happy life  and after which, when Satan has been dealt with, the earth will return along with those who stay true to God to the original state God intended.

On the other hand, if you believe everything just CAME ABOUT and you consider the state the world is in it will not be in a fit state for animal, vagitable or mineral within a very short time.

Me thinks considering facts regarding the prospects of mankind finding a solution to the earths problems, the list far too long to list, is a good starting point.

Regards.

Wasn't that sort of field etc Misty I'm was more like cracker night in hell to some degree, when I asked the man "God" the question as such, why is it so . & take care.

Never seen or heard of anyone not having a bad time at some point Knackered, if the only reason you believe in God is  so that you have an easy time in life it is the wrong foundation.

We all have ups and downs and there is unbelieveable events and problems that humans have to experience due mainly to SATAN along with mans stupidity.

Many realy true Christians suffered the most horrific treatment and still had the strength to carry on and never denounce their faith.

I could very easily say that some of the pain I have suffered in my life would not have been allowed were there a loving God.

In reaity all the pain in the world can be put at the hands of mankinds actions, he was given the Rules that would lead to a good life for all and chose to ignore them, not to mention SATAN.

Just look at the state of  the world, it speaks for its self.


Regards.

Son in law is here. Very religious. We just do not talk about it. Endless debate.

Yes exactly, endless alright but it's like every topic if you think you are right you'll fight your corner until proven wrong

You know, and I certainly am not aiming for a debate. As said, one has their' own views, which they are comfortable with, and it sits well. Why should they change their mind? As a post says earlier 'Could be an endless debate'.

It certainly isn't reasonable that I can, could,, or should, be a sauce that may enlighten one. Mind as I say, 10 Million every week are having a free study. They are taking a chance to listen and have an understanding of truth. To put their' points of views, and thoughts, regards what the Bible / god's word really says'! To get an true understanding! Then able to take on board a reasoning that suits. One that they accept, or proudly refuse. As it should be! For one has an ability, with a reasoning power, to discern. To have an understanding of truth.

Yes we are creatures of habits. We don't like change. If a change is put forward in any walk of life, then it is only reasonable to discern what- if any - benefits it may be to, and for us.

A simple true is, it is far, far easier to be in and with the 'In crowd' than stand outside.
Also because of folks with white smocks, or' Letters' behind their name pouting self importance and own garnered praise, most go along wit it. For most others will and do. Mind they couldn't answer a jot as to why! Just 'Others do' or 'Well they do say' and other nonsensible retorts. For most don't even understand the merest points why1 However, they protest till kingdom come ...

Like millions of untested millions, and impossible to test, myth regards the theory of evolution! In fact there are billions improbable, and not able to evolve parts, in our own bodies.

Is it not far easier to accept, and above all, have no one to be accountable to'. Having no creator asking for a simple thing, to believe in a reality!

The far gone unproven unrealities of theories verses the bible teaching for to day. Like ' Romans Ch10. V 13. says: 'There is the same Lord over all, who is rich toward all those calling on him. 13 For “everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved. 14. However, how will they call on him if they have not put faith in him? How, in turn, will they put faith in him about whom they have not heard? How, in turn, will they hear without someone to preach? 15 How, in turn, will they preach unless they have been sent out? Just as it is written: 'How beautiful are the feet of those who declare good news of good things'!
Just like many do with their pigeons and symptoms.
One may try something, but give up, for whatever reason(s). And return to going along with what they did, thjs season, and the one before. getting the same results. Yes, I know, next season will be different lol

peel bros wrote:

Yes exactly,  endless alright but it's like every topic if you think you are right  you'll fight your corner until proven wrong

If you are sure that you have found the truth, then it would be selfish and unacceptable not to attempt to share it with others.

It is impossible to prove how everything came about, one can only go on what one can reasonably conclude from the actual evidence before you.

Evolution is not a possibility, there are too many interdependantcies involved.

All must have been created at the same time or none could survive.

So on that basis alone ( which is irrefutable) evolution goes out of the window.

 So if one wants the truth one has to look elsewhere.

The only alternative is a creator.

Mankind has saught the answer relentlessly using numerous theories but a little thought goes a long way.

 If there must be a creator then WHY did the creator create.

There must be a reason.

Without going into detail the Bible gives all the answers.

Regards.

peel bros wrote:

Yes exactly,  endless alright but it's like every topic if you think you are right  you'll fight your corner until proven wrong

How true!

MISTY wrote:

peel bros wrote:

Yes exactly,  endless alright but it's like every topic if you think you are right  you'll fight your corner until proven wrong

If you are sure that you have found the truth, then it would be selfish and unacceptable not to attempt to share it with others.

It is impossible to prove how everything came about, one can only go on what one can reasonably conclude from the actual evidence before you.

Evolution is not a possibility, there are too many interdependantcies involved.

All must have been created at the same time or none could survive.

So on that basis alone ( which is irrefutable) evolution goes out of the window.

 So if one wants the truth one has to look elsewhere.

The only alternative is a creator.

Mankind has saught the answer relentlessly using numerous theories but a little thought goes a long way.

 If there must be a creator then WHY did the creator create.

There must be a reason.

Without going into detail the Bible gives all the answers.

Regards.

The Bible may have all the answers with in it etc Daz  as you say. But for myself here it's perhaps, it's own worst enemy in some ways I'm when you see those talking the talk in a biblical sense at the highest level & order being some of the worst of the worst by nature in human type terms . & take care.

I agree Knackered that their are pretenders using religion as a cover for anything evil they wish to persue.

The Church of England has completely lost it's way and I can understand people becomming disenchanted with their idea of the Bible teachings.

They have abanded the most basics of Christs teaching and the Bibles pronciples in an attempt to pacify the ungodly in an attempt to keep seats  with bottoms on.

Satan knows how to manipulate the ungodly  and the Churches are full of all sorts of misfits and those the Bible say are abominable, some actually wearing dog collars.

That is why those who abhor the use of religion for numerous dispicable purposes have to keep trying to shame and expose those involved.

Regards.

MISTY wrote:

I agree Knackered that their are pretenders using religion as a cover for anything evil they wish to persue.

The Church of England has completely lost it's way and I can understand people becomming disenchanted with their idea of the Bible teachings.

They have abanded the most basics of Christs teaching and the Bibles pronciples in an attempt to pacify the ungodly in an attempt to keep seats  with bottoms on.

Satan knows how to manipulate the ungodly  and the Churches are full of all sorts of misfits and those the Bible say are abominable, some actually wearing dog collars.

That is why those who abhor the use of religion for numerous dispicable purposes have to keep trying to shame and expose those involved.

Regards.

Been a legal battle going on down here etc Misty for over 6 years Jewish Principal/teacher caught out molesting her flock here years ago  & she then did a runner back to Israel. Something like 70 appeals went through the legal system there by her legal eagles to save her without a thought or a concern about the damage she did to the kids under her watch while here. Judgement day has finely swung our way now apparently & her concern is now went she arrives back here in the not to distant future, she could somehow catch the corona virus . .

the church alters its opinion on whats allowed and not allowed, more often than knackered changes his socks ...........they go along with whats politically correct at the time .

like a lot of things nowadays, they make it up as they go along .

True David... striving to get bums of seats and fill the money jars lol.

Could name, easily, 20 and more of their' so called beliefs to appease. That are not only NOT biblical doctrines, but completely false and against the very teachings!

Changing topic lol.

Daz wrote:

Changing topic lol.

thats what we do here daz,

no original topic stays the same after a few posts, i reckon the big forums ie chat , basics would be pulling their hair out .......

David wrote:

the church alters its opinion on whats allowed and not allowed, more often than knackered changes his socks ...........they go along with whats politically correct at the time .

like a lot of things nowadays, they make it up as they go along .

Come on David Knackered only has one pair of socks, he washes them once every birthday so I have heard ( could be someone telling you porkies David)

As for changing subjects, would be boring to have ones with little or no interest and the chance of everlasting life is not one to be dismissed lightly.

Regards.

he washes his socks once a year misty, weather they need it or not ..........

hes very hygenic is our knackered

He wears socks?

The same applies over here Knackered regarding the Churches and Religeous Schools.

Realy despicable activities involving hundreds of young people over many, many years,and those in charge if not partaking cover up for those that have done.

Unfortunately the churches offer all the opportunities to abuse young impressionable kids who do not know better and think they are in the best hands.

They are attempting to bring some to justice but no one knows if the actual Judges are any better.

Some of the sentencing makes no sense or reason, maybe a case of ALL BUT FOR.

If you read the cases in the papers, it is a worse offence to park in a wrong place than shoot or knife someone, Pro Rata.

We let known illegals remain here after serving minimum sentences for the most serious crimes and then  they go out and do the same,again.

No sypathy for the victims.

We have no justice system as such, we have courts and judges but ??????,

Regards.

David wrote:

Daz wrote:

Changing topic lol.

thats what we do here daz,

no original topic stays the same after a few posts, i reckon the big forums ie chat , basics would be pulling their hair out .......

Never noticed that here etc David I'm   will just pay more attention now with what is actually said here at times       .

David wrote:

he washes his socks once a year misty, weather they need it or not ..........

hes very hygenic is our knackered

water is like gold down here etc David I kid you not. So much so my yearly dip in the local river is it, I'm for the year, because of the snakes & crocodiles lurking there & the odd man eater type white pointer shark .

Knackered wrote:

MISTY wrote:

peel bros wrote:

Yes exactly,  endless alright but it's like every topic if you think you are right  you'll fight your corner until proven wrong

If you are sure that you have found the truth, then it would be selfish and unacceptable not to attempt to share it with others.

It is impossible to prove how everything came about, one can only go on what one can reasonably conclude from the actual evidence before you.

Evolution is not a possibility, there are too many interdependantcies involved.

All must have been created at the same time or none could survive.

So on that basis alone ( which is irrefutable) evolution goes out of the window.

 So if one wants the truth one has to look elsewhere.

The only alternative is a creator.

Mankind has saught the answer relentlessly using numerous theories but a little thought goes a long way.

 If there must be a creator then WHY did the creator create.

There must be a reason.

Without going into detail the Bible gives all the answers.

Regards.

The Bible may have all the answers with in it etc Daz  as you say. But for myself here it's perhaps, it's own worst enemy in some ways I'm when you see those talking the talk in a biblical sense at the highest level & order being some of the worst of the worst by nature in human type terms . & take care.

exactly ,more kiddie fiddlers and weirdos than you can wave a stick at,the whole picture is nothing like sunday school back in the 70's you would never leave yer kid at church these days eh ,all the trust/ideology has long gone...i mean "where does adam and eve fit in now or will it be changed to adam and steve "my point is they change it as they go along

No doubt oldstrain, the majority of the Church of England and Catholic churches are and have been for many years a haven for all kinds of perverts.

Often from top to bottom.

Many are now being brought to light but a little late in the day for those that were exploited.

All this makes it harder for the dedicated Christians who uphold the Bibles teachings to get the truth over to others, and this is understandable when you have Satan in the background encouraging the dismissal of the Bibles teaching.

Makes me puke when I see the idiots dressed up like clowns walzing down the aisle with a weapon in their hands, all Pagan symbols, then taking about good and evil and children going hungry, and a lot of other hot air and then derobing and getting into a Rolls and driving back to a large house with sevants and a none intimate ???? male partner.

If you analyse the Church of England it is more PAGAN than Pagan.

Regards.

Truth set to beautiful music.

1.When a man becomes a father

And a woman has a child of her own,

They share a trust, they must remember,

That is not theirs, not theirs alone.

The gift they share is from Jehovah;

Of life and love he is the one true Source.

To parents he gives sure direction

That they may follow the wisest course.

(CHORUS)

A sacred trust you have been given;

A precious life is in your hands.

You can bestow the greatest favor;

Instruct your child in God’s commands.

2.All the words God has commanded—

They must always prove to be on your heart.

These words you’ll speak to sons and daughters;

This is your trust, this is your part.

To them you’ll speak along your roadway,

When you rise up and when you are at rest.

In years to come, may they remember,

May they be faithful, may they be blessed.

(CHORUS)

A sacred trust you have been given;

A precious life is in your hands.

You can bestow the greatest favor;

Instruct your child in God’s commands.