bean free zone

Haven't paired yet but plan on rearing yb's without beans in the feed. Maples and peas yes, and plenty of other grains but no tic beans. The youngins I brought in last year were reared and weaned bean free and were up in the boxes off the floor, and on the wing in a crack. Pink breasted and no puppy fat. Time will tell

I don't like beans myself but our barry does . I will persuade him not to use them again ... I like the pellets though

yes i liked using pellets, got to get the feeding right ive found,or they waste a lot when rearing ybs ..........would yours be high protien feed then colin ...?

a general multi grain breeding mix fed in pots in boxes David, 16% protein, plus hopper on floor with maples and few peas mixed. Pigeons can take what they want when they want but lifted off before it gets dark.

Good mix

peel bros wrote:

Good mix

Impressive I would say here etc But without actually knowing the protein, fibre/ fat type content in it I'm in some ways confused as of its benefits compared to other type mixes along the same lines which at the end of the day means nothing I suggest if the birds take to it & breed healthy type youngsters, that race.

Most of the time we use breed and wean

nice mix mine is very similar ,a bit of maize but not to much

looks nice and colourfull colin, what brand of corn is it ....?

yes Barnie, that looks first class for sure. --- How much waste, or forced?

Today, we have so many sites where we can visual the properties of grains, peas, beans etc. What we may have coming instore for our birds.
Many ways - via placing a good mix in front of them for example and see what the go for. Feed more of that today/tomorrow. then will see what they choose  two days later or so... will be very different.
That above is very good looking ... but much, each feed I'd wager is useless as to what the want.
Weather, climate, condition, happy sad etc. ALL take a toll and need a looking too what they are needing. J.M.O.

50% or so Groats all ways for me.

David wrote:

looks nice and colourfull colin, what brand of corn is it ....?

Paloma breeding mix David

Daz wrote:

yes Barnie, that looks first class for sure. --- How much waste, or forced?

Today, we have so many sites where we can visual the properties of grains, peas, beans etc. What we may have coming instore for our birds.
Many ways - via placing a good mix in front of them for example and see what the go for. Feed more of that today/tomorrow. then will see what they choose  two days later or so... will be very different.
That above is very good looking ... but much, each feed I'd wager is useless as to what the want.
Weather, climate, condition, happy sad etc. ALL take a toll and need a looking too what they are needing. J.M.O.

50% or so Groats all ways for me.

yes daz, price and variety of clean grains tempted me

barnie wrote:

Daz wrote:

yes Barnie, that looks first class for sure. --- How much waste, or forced?

Today, we have so many sites where we can visual the properties of grains, peas, beans etc. What we may have coming instore for our birds.
Many ways - via placing a good mix in front of them for example and see what the go for. Feed more of that today/tomorrow. then will see what they choose  two days later or so... will be very different.
That above is very good looking ... but much, each feed I'd wager is useless as to what the want.
Weather, climate, condition, happy sad etc. ALL take a toll and need a looking too what they are needing. J.M.O.

50% or so Groats all ways for me.

yes daz, price and variety of clean grains tempted me

I could suggest Barnie maybe you forgot the most important part of the equation etc so I will just ask here do your bags have a pigeon posted on them as a sign of quality as such .
*****

Knackered wrote:

barnie wrote:

Daz wrote:

yes Barnie, that looks first class for sure. --- How much waste, or forced?

Today, we have so many sites where we can visual the properties of grains, peas, beans etc. What we may have coming instore for our birds.
Many ways - via placing a good mix in front of them for example and see what the go for. Feed more of that today/tomorrow. then will see what they choose  two days later or so... will be very different.
That above is very good looking ... but much, each feed I'd wager is useless as to what the want.
Weather, climate, condition, happy sad etc. ALL take a toll and need a looking too what they are needing. J.M.O.

50% or so Groats all ways for me.

yes daz, price and variety of clean grains tempted me

I could suggest Barnie maybe you forgot the most important part of the equation etc so I will just ask here do your bags have a pigeon posted on them as a sign of quality as such .
*****

Yes big pics of pigeons and Belgian writing all over

We got a mix , breeding mix the other week in a clear bag and what a fantastic corn it was . Best I have seen for a while. Only got it as our normal one wasn't in

beanz meanz heinz and fat ybs who wont get off the ground for weeks glad someone else has noticed

oldstrain wrote:

beanz meanz heinz and fat ybs who wont get off the ground for weeks glad someone else has noticed

One could maybe ask the question etc O/S So what known flyers that keep them in in the early months by preference & come race day, they still lead the pack as such at times. Condemn beans & peas, like many do now I suggest but has the life of the true long distance type of race pigeon on average, really improved over the years now etc feeding light & when maybe comparing to the old ways of old . End of the day     I've seen a boat load of types     in my time, over the moon with joy     dropping a boat load at once on race day in some pissy little 100 mile type race, but they strangely enough for some reason on average are rather silent or go missing totally when the final long races for the season come round    .  
*****

I know a few fanciers who have bean there and won far more than those using all the polished mixtures.

Regards.

Yes you obviously have to add to corn when they go further, widowhood mixes I say will get you if lucky 350 miles then after that it's a different story yes

Yes I agree beans are heavy for ybs and they do take some getting going, that why I don't like them personally. A good yb mix is good enough

Knackered wrote:

oldstrain wrote:

beanz meanz heinz and fat ybs who wont get off the ground for weeks glad someone else has noticed

One could maybe ask the question etc O/S So what known flyers that keep them in in the early months by preference & come race day, they still lead the pack as such at times. Condemn beans & peas, like many do now I suggest but has the life of the true long distance type of race pigeon on average, really improved over the years now etc feeding light & when maybe comparing to the old ways of old . End of the day     I've seen a boat load of types     in my time, over the moon with joy     dropping a boat load at once on race day in some pissy little 100 mile type race, but they strangely enough for some reason on average are rather silent or go missing totally when the final long races for the season come round    .  
*****

never said anything about peas oz ...some like the distance others find it a drag personally always liked a 250-400 mile race best but each to his own ,i would suggest some fanciers love p1$$y racing and have it down to a fine art and deserve credit atb

oldstrain wrote:

Knackered wrote:

oldstrain wrote:

beanz meanz heinz and fat ybs who wont get off the ground for weeks glad someone else has noticed

One could maybe ask the question etc O/S So what known flyers that keep them in in the early months by preference & come race day, they still lead the pack as such at times. Condemn beans & peas, like many do now I suggest but has the life of the true long distance type of race pigeon on average, really improved over the years now etc feeding light & when maybe comparing to the old ways of old . End of the day     I've seen a boat load of types     in my time, over the moon with joy     dropping a boat load at once on race day in some pissy little 100 mile type race, but they strangely enough for some reason on average are rather silent or go missing totally when the final long races for the season come round    .  
*****

never said anything about peas oz ...some like the distance others find it a drag personally always liked a 250-400 mile race best but each to his own ,i would suggest some fanciers love p1$$y racing and have it down to a fine art and deserve credit atb

just talking in general terms etc O/S I'm as basically peas & beans are as one etc by my way of thinking here Now as far as the other bit how the hell, someone can just enjoy pigeons dropping like flies in big numbers on average in some short toss type scenario moment, even if it is a race is far beyond my comprehension here sadly,  unfortunately .

well some like milers oz some like sprint others middle some long ,i guess the enjoyment is in the husbandry/hobby side of it ...some fanciers think long distance racing is cruel locking a bird up in a basket with 20 others for days on end then have to walk the walk ...especially cock birds hammering eachother so i guess its each to his own eh ,getting back to the bean thing ...what i was referring to is a common trait here of feeding a breeding mix containing ample protein and beans on top ,it gives ybs like tanks that wont fly and get into bad habits and never fly that well even holding the rest of the team back by pulling them down when loft exercising ,each to his own i guess

oldstrain wrote:

well some like milers oz some like sprint others middle some long ,i guess the enjoyment is in the husbandry/hobby side of it ...some fanciers think long distance racing is cruel locking a bird up in a basket with 20 others for days on end then have to walk the walk ...especially cock birds hammering eachother so i guess its each to his own eh ,getting back to the bean thing ...what i was referring to is a common trait here of feeding a breeding mix containing ample protein and beans on top ,it gives ybs like tanks that wont fly and get into bad habits and never fly that well even holding the rest of the team back by pulling them down when loft exercising ,each to his own i guess

true as you say each to their own etc O/S . End of the day thou we are in some ways here like politician types on opposite sides of a chamber fighting like hell to impress our side of thinking I suggest but then at the end of the day, then go out & have a drink together like brothers in arms as such for the enjoyment factor. Now       won one of those pissy little type races here years ago etc O/S     13,500 odd birds in it at the time into a head wind, but it didn't make me change my way of thinking thou I'm