overnight and multiple nights basket

HI,
I have seen in many schedules that for saturday race, basket on Friday and sometimes on Thursday. So my assumption is multiple night basket is only for Fed races where transport needs to load pigeons from multiple clubs, also to mitigate doping effect for money races or it is to reach liberation site a day prior to give pigeons rest ? why and under what circumstances multiple night basket is needed or suggested
after one of recent bad race of 650KM/400 miles , some fanciers started arguing that rest for the pigeons was not optimal . we sent our van by 9AM. they stayed multiple time for watering. at 4Pm they serve them feed and water. they reached at liberation site by 11Pm (water again) and liberated pigeon on 7Am next morning. I think that much rest is not bad.. my opinion about bad race is temperature. it was mostly 31c (dry ) throughout the track no tail wind support

I think they need an extra day rest over about 270 miles depending on when they get to the liberation site. Our transporters leave thursday about 5pm for a saturday race at 270 miles but rarely have to face the heat your birds race in. I can't see many good races at 400miles in extreme heat and no help with wind, I think you're right Tanz

when we raced from scotland they would basket on a wednesday for a saturday race for 400 mile + races ,they would arrive at racepoint at least 24 hours before liberation.whenever it was hot or humid conditions it was always a very hard race with very few birds on the day but there were always a few ,even the perth and berwick racepoints were like this from 350,300 miles if it was hot/humid :pale:nice to hear from you tanveer

tanveerhbaig wrote:

HI,
I have seen in many schedules that for saturday race, basket on Friday and sometimes on Thursday. So my assumption is multiple night basket is only for Fed races where transport needs to load pigeons from multiple clubs, also to mitigate doping effect for money races or it is to reach liberation site a day prior to give pigeons rest ? why and under what circumstances multiple night basket is needed or suggested
after one of recent bad race of 650KM/400 miles , some fanciers started arguing that rest for the pigeons was not optimal . we sent our van by 9AM. they stayed multiple time for watering. at 4Pm they serve them feed and water. they reached at liberation site by 11Pm (water again) and liberated pigeon on 7Am next morning. I think that much rest is not bad.. my opinion about bad race is temperature. it was mostly 31c (dry ) throughout the track no tail wind support

Some say Tanveer certain folk are sadly dumb some what I'm   & full of excuses etc after a bad type race, where as, more times than not the pain is more self inflicted to a degree from my general experience of 60 odd years here. We all experience hard races at different times, that's just the way things happen I'm in a pigeon sense for us peasant folk in general. Now for your moaner brigade there could I perhaps suggest maybe they go have a wee talk with Dr Umar who clocked 9 pigeons out of the 39 clocked I believe in the recent bad race we are discussing here if I'm correct with my thinking process & I'm quite sure if they did     they would learn something worth learning I suspect of a worthful type nature there. Now Van, that could mean many things here Tanveer from my perspective, good bad or indifferent as such. Our birds here go away also in a van of sorts, a $100,000 type if not 2     with the most up to date ventilation going around for the pigeons on board there & also modern day roads here for the journey there & back at our 400 odd mile points. Normal to basket on a Thursday night & liberate Saturday down here at 400 odd miles, unless heat comes into the equation at times like you there apparently, then we look at all options available even if it means taking them off the line of flight 100 odd miles any which way to perhaps maybe find a cooler liberation site if possible.

Dr umar is flying from another group . they raced 12 days before us and in these 12 days temperature raised around 8 degree

here is the link for our race
https://mypigeons.benzing.live/pk/en/results/on-the-fly/r-133-final-race-rrpc-sadiqabad-650km/by-pigeons/

Knackered wrote:

tanveerhbaig wrote:

HI,
I have seen in many schedules that for saturday race, basket on Friday and sometimes on Thursday. So my assumption is multiple night basket is only for Fed races where transport needs to load pigeons from multiple clubs, also to mitigate doping effect for money races or it is to reach liberation site a day prior to give pigeons rest ? why and under what circumstances multiple night basket is needed or suggested
after one of recent bad race of 650KM/400 miles , some fanciers started arguing that rest for the pigeons was not optimal . we sent our van by 9AM. they stayed multiple time for watering. at 4Pm they serve them feed and water. they reached at liberation site by 11Pm (water again) and liberated pigeon on 7Am next morning. I think that much rest is not bad.. my opinion about bad race is temperature. it was mostly 31c (dry ) throughout the track no tail wind support

Some say Tanveer certain folk are sadly dumb some what I'm   & full of excuses etc after a bad type race, where as, more times than not the pain is more self inflicted to a degree from my general experience of 60 odd years here. We all experience hard races at different times, that's just the way things happen I'm in a pigeon sense for us peasant folk in general. Now for your moaner brigade there could I perhaps suggest maybe they go have a wee talk with Dr Umar who clocked 9 pigeons out of the 39 clocked I believe in the recent bad race we are discussing here if I'm correct with my thinking process & I'm quite sure if they did     they would learn something worth learning I suspect of a worthful type nature there. Now Van, that could mean many things here Tanveer from my perspective, good bad or indifferent as such. Our birds here go away also in a van of sorts, a $100,000 type if not 2     with the most up to date ventilation going around for the pigeons on board there & also modern day roads here for the journey there & back at our 400 odd mile points. Normal to basket on a Thursday night & liberate Saturday down here at 400 odd miles, unless heat comes into the equation at times like you there apparently, then we look at all options available even if it means taking them off the line of flight 100 odd miles any which way to perhaps maybe find a cooler liberation site if possible.

Thank you Darren.
we had tried early basketing before and found no benefit. I still think that more days in basket means more stress. If we reach 10-12 hrs before liberation at spot, that may be more than enough. So lets see next year now, as team quite motivated to do things differently next year . I think it happens after every bad race

oldstrain wrote:

when we raced from scotland they would basket on a wednesday for a saturday race for 400 mile + races ,they would arrive at racepoint at least 24 hours before liberation.whenever it was hot or humid conditions it was always a very hard race with very few birds on the day but there were always a few ,even the perth and berwick racepoints were like this from 350,300 miles if it was hot/humid :pale:nice to hear from you tanveer

tanveerhbaig wrote:

Dr umar is flying from another group . they raced 12 days before us and in these 12 days temperature raised around 8 degree

here is the link for our race
https://mypigeons.benzing.live/pk/en/results/on-the-fly/r-133-final-race-rrpc-sadiqabad-650km/by-pigeons/

Knackered wrote:

tanveerhbaig wrote:

HI,
I have seen in many schedules that for saturday race, basket on Friday and sometimes on Thursday. So my assumption is multiple night basket is only for Fed races where transport needs to load pigeons from multiple clubs, also to mitigate doping effect for money races or it is to reach liberation site a day prior to give pigeons rest ? why and under what circumstances multiple night basket is needed or suggested
after one of recent bad race of 650KM/400 miles , some fanciers started arguing that rest for the pigeons was not optimal . we sent our van by 9AM. they stayed multiple time for watering. at 4Pm they serve them feed and water. they reached at liberation site by 11Pm (water again) and liberated pigeon on 7Am next morning. I think that much rest is not bad.. my opinion about bad race is temperature. it was mostly 31c (dry ) throughout the track no tail wind support

Some say Tanveer certain folk are sadly dumb some what I'm   & full of excuses etc after a bad type race, where as, more times than not the pain is more self inflicted to a degree from my general experience of 60 odd years here. We all experience hard races at different times, that's just the way things happen I'm in a pigeon sense for us peasant folk in general. Now for your moaner brigade there could I perhaps suggest maybe they go have a wee talk with Dr Umar who clocked 9 pigeons out of the 39 clocked I believe in the recent bad race we are discussing here if I'm correct with my thinking process & I'm quite sure if they did     they would learn something worth learning I suspect of a worthful type nature there. Now Van, that could mean many things here Tanveer from my perspective, good bad or indifferent as such. Our birds here go away also in a van of sorts, a $100,000 type if not 2     with the most up to date ventilation going around for the pigeons on board there & also modern day roads here for the journey there & back at our 400 odd mile points. Normal to basket on a Thursday night & liberate Saturday down here at 400 odd miles, unless heat comes into the equation at times like you there apparently, then we look at all options available even if it means taking them off the line of flight 100 odd miles any which way to perhaps maybe find a cooler liberation site if possible.

Ok just shows Tanveer I'm what an idiot I'm here etc End of the day though I suggest, change Dr Umar to Marwat perhaps & the same type scenario applies somehow I suspect to a certain degree.

Knackered wrote:

tanveerhbaig wrote:

Dr umar is flying from another group . they raced 12 days before us and in these 12 days temperature raised around 8 degree

here is the link for our race
https://mypigeons.benzing.live/pk/en/results/on-the-fly/r-133-final-race-rrpc-sadiqabad-650km/by-pigeons/

Knackered wrote:

tanveerhbaig wrote:

HI,
I have seen in many schedules that for saturday race, basket on Friday and sometimes on Thursday. So my assumption is multiple night basket is only for Fed races where transport needs to load pigeons from multiple clubs, also to mitigate doping effect for money races or it is to reach liberation site a day prior to give pigeons rest ? why and under what circumstances multiple night basket is needed or suggested
after one of recent bad race of 650KM/400 miles , some fanciers started arguing that rest for the pigeons was not optimal . we sent our van by 9AM. they stayed multiple time for watering. at 4Pm they serve them feed and water. they reached at liberation site by 11Pm (water again) and liberated pigeon on 7Am next morning. I think that much rest is not bad.. my opinion about bad race is temperature. it was mostly 31c (dry ) throughout the track no tail wind support

Some say Tanveer certain folk are sadly dumb some what I'm   & full of excuses etc after a bad type race, where as, more times than not the pain is more self inflicted to a degree from my general experience of 60 odd years here. We all experience hard races at different times, that's just the way things happen I'm in a pigeon sense for us peasant folk in general. Now for your moaner brigade there could I perhaps suggest maybe they go have a wee talk with Dr Umar who clocked 9 pigeons out of the 39 clocked I believe in the recent bad race we are discussing here if I'm correct with my thinking process & I'm quite sure if they did     they would learn something worth learning I suspect of a worthful type nature there. Now Van, that could mean many things here Tanveer from my perspective, good bad or indifferent as such. Our birds here go away also in a van of sorts, a $100,000 type if not 2     with the most up to date ventilation going around for the pigeons on board there & also modern day roads here for the journey there & back at our 400 odd mile points. Normal to basket on a Thursday night & liberate Saturday down here at 400 odd miles, unless heat comes into the equation at times like you there apparently, then we look at all options available even if it means taking them off the line of flight 100 odd miles any which way to perhaps maybe find a cooler liberation site if possible.

Ok just shows Tanveer I'm what an idiot I'm here etc End of the day though I suggest, change Dr Umar to Marwat perhaps & the same type scenario applies somehow I suspect to a certain degree.

tanveerhbaig wrote:

     

Knackered wrote:

tanveerhbaig wrote:

Dr umar is flying from another group . they raced 12 days before us and in these 12 days temperature raised around 8 degree

here is the link for our race
https://mypigeons.benzing.live/pk/en/results/on-the-fly/r-133-final-race-rrpc-sadiqabad-650km/by-pigeons/

Knackered wrote:

tanveerhbaig wrote:

HI,
I have seen in many schedules that for saturday race, basket on Friday and sometimes on Thursday. So my assumption is multiple night basket is only for Fed races where transport needs to load pigeons from multiple clubs, also to mitigate doping effect for money races or it is to reach liberation site a day prior to give pigeons rest ? why and under what circumstances multiple night basket is needed or suggested
after one of recent bad race of 650KM/400 miles , some fanciers started arguing that rest for the pigeons was not optimal . we sent our van by 9AM. they stayed multiple time for watering. at 4Pm they serve them feed and water. they reached at liberation site by 11Pm (water again) and liberated pigeon on 7Am next morning. I think that much rest is not bad.. my opinion about bad race is temperature. it was mostly 31c (dry ) throughout the track no tail wind support

Some say Tanveer certain folk are sadly dumb some what I'm   & full of excuses etc after a bad type race, where as, more times than not the pain is more self inflicted to a degree from my general experience of 60 odd years here. We all experience hard races at different times, that's just the way things happen I'm in a pigeon sense for us peasant folk in general. Now for your moaner brigade there could I perhaps suggest maybe they go have a wee talk with Dr Umar who clocked 9 pigeons out of the 39 clocked I believe in the recent bad race we are discussing here if I'm correct with my thinking process & I'm quite sure if they did     they would learn something worth learning I suspect of a worthful type nature there. Now Van, that could mean many things here Tanveer from my perspective, good bad or indifferent as such. Our birds here go away also in a van of sorts, a $100,000 type if not 2     with the most up to date ventilation going around for the pigeons on board there & also modern day roads here for the journey there & back at our 400 odd mile points. Normal to basket on a Thursday night & liberate Saturday down here at 400 odd miles, unless heat comes into the equation at times like you there apparently, then we look at all options available even if it means taking them off the line of flight 100 odd miles any which way to perhaps maybe find a cooler liberation site if possible.

Ok just shows Tanveer I'm what an idiot I'm here etc End of the day though I suggest, change Dr Umar to Marwat perhaps & the same type scenario applies somehow I suspect to a certain degree.

Thanks for that etc Tanveer encouragement for an old bloke type thing Now I know roughly how far there you live from Marwat as such, but how far would you actually be roughly from Dr Umar if flying from the same general point there come race day type thing being somewhat curious here to a certain degree.

tanveerhbaig wrote:

HI,
I have seen in many schedules that for saturday race, basket on Friday and sometimes on Thursday. So my assumption is multiple night basket is only for Fed races where transport needs to load pigeons from multiple clubs, also to mitigate doping effect for money races or it is to reach liberation site a day prior to give pigeons rest ? why and under what circumstances multiple night basket is needed or suggested
after one of recent bad race of 650KM/400 miles , some fanciers started arguing that rest for the pigeons was not optimal . we sent our van by 9AM. they stayed multiple time for watering. at 4Pm they serve them feed and water. they reached at liberation site by 11Pm (water again) and liberated pigeon on 7Am next morning. I think that much rest is not bad.. my opinion about bad race is temperature. it was mostly 31c (dry ) throughout the track no tail wind support

Arguing you say   We simply carn't have that etc Tanveer     disharmony in paradise type of thing, apparently. Could I maybe suggest, perhaps Dr Umar & his lot could be your moaners salvation to a certain degree if thinking of the general welfare of the birds concerned & perhaps for both sides with your present predicament of discontent as it appears. Around 2 football teams in size (Aussie style) combines/organisation's doing the same general thing there on race day it appears by what I see. Crazy stuff I'm from my way of thinking here, when all are flying into the one general area etc & at the one time roughly. End of the day     knowing a bit somewhat about the heat factor down here as such     happy to agree with your general thought process 100% though still best I suspect/suggest to consider other issues that may just perhaps have played a part somewhat with your final race there to cover all basis when looking for a final solution to your predicament.  

thank you Knackered yeah Dr umar is good but topic was to understand under what circumstances we need to have multiple night basket. like one the fellow told that for 400 miles , their pigeons are at liberation site 24 hrs before.

Knackered wrote:

tanveerhbaig wrote:

HI,
I have seen in many schedules that for saturday race, basket on Friday and sometimes on Thursday. So my assumption is multiple night basket is only for Fed races where transport needs to load pigeons from multiple clubs, also to mitigate doping effect for money races or it is to reach liberation site a day prior to give pigeons rest ? why and under what circumstances multiple night basket is needed or suggested
after one of recent bad race of 650KM/400 miles , some fanciers started arguing that rest for the pigeons was not optimal . we sent our van by 9AM. they stayed multiple time for watering. at 4Pm they serve them feed and water. they reached at liberation site by 11Pm (water again) and liberated pigeon on 7Am next morning. I think that much rest is not bad.. my opinion about bad race is temperature. it was mostly 31c (dry ) throughout the track no tail wind support

Arguing you say   We simply carn't have that etc Tanveer     disharmony in paradise type of thing, apparently. Could I maybe suggest, perhaps Dr Umar & his lot could be your moaners salvation to a certain degree if thinking of the general welfare of the birds concerned & perhaps for both sides with your present predicament of discontent as it appears. Around 2 football teams in size (Aussie style) combines/organisation's doing the same general thing there on race day it appears by what I see. Crazy stuff I'm from my way of thinking here, when all are flying into the one general area etc & at the one time roughly. End of the day     knowing a bit somewhat about the heat factor down here as such     happy to agree with your general thought process 100% though still best I suspect/suggest to consider other issues that may just perhaps have played a part somewhat with your final race there to cover all basis when looking for a final solution to your predicament.  

tanveerhbaig wrote:

thank you Knackered    yeah Dr umar is good but topic was to understand under what circumstances we need to have multiple night basket. like one the fellow told that for 400 miles , their pigeons are at liberation site 24 hrs before.

Knackered wrote:

tanveerhbaig wrote:

HI,
I have seen in many schedules that for saturday race, basket on Friday and sometimes on Thursday. So my assumption is multiple night basket is only for Fed races where transport needs to load pigeons from multiple clubs, also to mitigate doping effect for money races or it is to reach liberation site a day prior to give pigeons rest ? why and under what circumstances multiple night basket is needed or suggested
after one of recent bad race of 650KM/400 miles , some fanciers started arguing that rest for the pigeons was not optimal . we sent our van by 9AM. they stayed multiple time for watering. at 4Pm they serve them feed and water. they reached at liberation site by 11Pm (water again) and liberated pigeon on 7Am next morning. I think that much rest is not bad.. my opinion about bad race is temperature. it was mostly 31c (dry ) throughout the track no tail wind support

Arguing you say   We simply carn't have that etc Tanveer     disharmony in paradise type of thing, apparently. Could I maybe suggest, perhaps Dr Umar & his lot could be your moaners salvation to a certain degree if thinking of the general welfare of the birds concerned & perhaps for both sides with your present predicament of discontent as it appears. Around 2 football teams in size (Aussie style) combines/organisation's doing the same general thing there on race day it appears by what I see. Crazy stuff I'm from my way of thinking here, when all are flying into the one general area etc & at the one time roughly. End of the day     knowing a bit somewhat about the heat factor down here as such     happy to agree with your general thought process 100% though still best I suspect/suggest to consider other issues that may just perhaps have played a part somewhat with your final race there to cover all basis when looking for a final solution to your predicament.  

Ok that maybe so Tanveer (24 hrs) but I raise the point has his birds over many years of competition, ever sat at a liberation site in the stifling heat as such above 30 odd degrees as an example, for those 24 hrs at around 400 odd miles before being liberated. Dehydration in a pigeon sense, because of the heat factor isn't quite like I suggest sitting beside a lake maybe with a cool breeze for 24 hrs. Rome has many roads leading to it in certain ways I've found & what one may suggest as the best option to get there  maybe isn't quite the best way when considering all the options available in a heat scenario & the general welfare of one's birds. Now     down here Tanveer, believe it or not     & just slightly before my time     we at one stage actually transported pigeons by camel train here out into our desert area for our distance type events & somehow 24 hours rest back then may maybe have perhaps been required I suspect somehow. These days though it wouldn't be my cup of tea if looking for an enjoyable moment/experience all things considered on average, as anything over 12 hours total rest in a good environment situation for ones birds is a waste of time & money & effort from my perspective if one is using a modern day type of transport regime & just have the best interest of one's members birds as the only concern that really matters in a heat situation.