New routine Started

Right ive started my system of using natural products rather than bottles unless they get an illness they will get no drugs,

A week in water lol

Return from race Glucose, later that night Epsom salts

Sunday honey and Lemon

Monday Cider vineger + Garlic

Tuesday Elderberry juice

Wednesday Marmie

Thursday Marmite

Friday just water


Well what do you reckon ??

just my opinion steve but im not sure i would give the epsoms later that night after the race, glucose yes, but maybe the epsom salt the day after ??? JMO

hi steve give them honey and glucose together on a return from a race then sunday epsom salts
but i give mine bicarb of soda on a sunday . cheers kev .

I'm not being funny or owt Steve, but to me it sounds a little intense.
Personally, when I work out a programme for my team, what goes into my drinker corresponds to my feed.
If I put anything into my drinker it's for a specific purpose.
Obviously when a bird has come back from a race you want to make it recover quickly hence the Glucose/Dextrose Electrolites, this together with a light feed such as depurative which is easily digestible, I usually add some wheatgerm oil to this as it helps the muscles and relaxes the stiffness.
I usually put honey in the water prior to basketting as it's an extra source of carbohydrate.
But anything else, should be given for a specific purpose.
Somethings like Cider Vinegar, Garlic should only need to be given maybe once every two weeks, same with the elderberry as it's a great tonic.
But as with anything else, watch you don't over do it, as it will lose it's effectiveness as well as it's benefit.
It's only my opinion mate.

you may be right Gaz, just something im looking at

I can see where your coming from mate, like anything else it's all trial and error.
I'm a great believer in natural stuff and I used to make some right potions

the main things i use in the water are honey, vitamins, sometimes cider vinegar and sometimes mollassis........i dont use these on set days, i use for example honey/mollassis on return from a race, or vitamins once or twice during the week.........i do use plain fresh water at least alternate days

in my opinion you dont need something in the water every day......

David you say you reckon their should be something in the water every day in my opinionon that would be, if your giveing some thing every day when you want that bit extra you cant give to your birds as they shouldnt be able to use it because they supose to be toped up alwayes keep a bit back for when they need it

David wrote:

the main things i use in the water are honey, vitamins, sometimes cider vinegar and sometimes mollassis........i dont use these on set days, i use for example honey/mollassis on return from a race, or vitamins once or twice during the week.........i do use plain fresh water at least alternate days

in my opinion you dont need something in the water every day......

think youve misread my post ginger, i said in my opinion you DONT need something in the water every day.........

EssexSteve wrote:

Right ive started my system of using natural products rather than bottles unless they get an illness they will get no drugs,

A week in water lol

Return from race Glucose, later that night Epsom salts

Sunday honey and Lemon

Monday Cider vineger + Garlic

Tuesday Elderberry juice

Wednesday Marmie

Thursday Marmite

Friday just water


Well what do you reckon ??

well Steve,to be honest,whats wrong with clean fresh water mate,i feel sorry for your birds,if i was 1 of them the 1st thing i would do when let out for excersise or released from a basket would be to go to ground to find a decent drink,and the more i think abou it,your management could certainly be classed as cruel,all the poor things want is a refrehing drink and you refuse to give it to them,lets hope the RSPB,RSPCA.and others do not read your post,its shocking ,lets pray you do not try it on any youngbirds in the race season,they would fall out the baskets on release,as some do,shocking!!!!!!!!

griz cock , steve is doing nothing crule if you knew any thing about racing you would not have posted
what you did , like he said its just finding out how to get them in the best possible condition for racing i think you should read up on what people do to gain the upper hand , steve is going down the natural route not poping pills down there neck every 5 mins and giving them antibiotics , can you give him some advice like the rest of us here are trying to do .

kev d wrote:

griz cock , steve is doing nothing crule if you knew any thing about racing you would not have posted
what you did , like he said its just finding out how to get them in the best possible condition for racing i think you should read up on what people do to gain the upper hand , steve is going down the natural route not poping pills down there neck every 5 mins and giving them antibiotics , can you give him some advice like the rest of us here are trying to do .

If your happyKev,like others on here to condone this lads efforts,thats down to you,but if you really think tainting the drinking water every single day of the year will get the birds in the best possible condition,your having a laugh,sad the pigeons got to put up with that,if only they could talk

its not my post , if steve wants to do that then thats up to him im just trying to help him .
no i don,t put stuff in the drinker every day never have and never will . trying giving the bloke some of your exspertise im dying to know what you would do .

I think Steve is just trying to bounce ideas off us.
I'll send him a copy of my system if wants to get some different ideas.
There's nowt cruel about wanting to get your birds in peak condition.

well i guess that got you lot talking, gaz id love to have you send me your system im here to LEARN after all, Grizzle would you prefer i used Baytril, Nystatin, eye drops, other drugs etc or normal stuff made from vegtables ? theres lots of ways to fly pigeons not just yours, im just trying to find out what alternatives i had to drugs. you really shouldnt judge people by reading 1 article, SHOCKING !!!!

Pm me your email addy Steve.

EssexSteve wrote:

well i guess that got you lot talking, gaz id love to have you send me your system im here to LEARN after all, Grizzle would you prefer i used Baytril, Nystatin, eye drops, other drugs etc or normal stuff made from vegtables ? theres lots of ways to fly pigeons not just yours, im just trying to find out what alternatives i had to drugs. you really shouldnt judge people by reading 1 article, SHOCKING !!!!

Fair play Steve i will stand by your comment mate nice one, its all about asking and seeing what is best then you can make your own judgement

Steve can i say that on a basket night lets say friday you give the just plain water because that will help them loads

Plus if you (Lets say) give them vitamins on a friday this can sometimes dehydrate them ( i was told this sometime ago) thats why a lost of fanciers just use plain water on a friday

If you want to make sure your birds drink plenty this is what myself and Billy did had the birds out friday morning half hour get them in give them a small feed then remove the water replace the water (fresh) later that afternoon lets say 2 hours before you send them to the club then they are hydrated for the race the following day

Hope this helps you out mate

cheers Don

EssexSteve wrote:

cheers Don

No worries mate just remember "I Know Nothing"

Cheers Steve, am just loading it up mate.
If nothing else it will give you an idea of the basics and what I do.

Steve you will not go wrong with Gary he is a top bloke mate and honest also

i really want to learn to do sprint middle, theres on 3 scottish races in our club, Berwick, Arbroath and Thurso, im not to bothered about them, id much rather win Ripon lol thats 205 miles to me. i will look about the house Don ive got some books on distance somewhere, and if you want to read the book you mentioned just say i will lend you my copy

email sent Steve.

EssexSteve wrote:

i really want to learn to do sprint middle, theres on 3 scottish races in our club, Berwick, Arbroath and Thurso, im not to bothered about them, id much rather win Ripon lol thats 205 miles to me. i will look about the house Don ive got some books on distance somewhere, and if you want to read the book you mentioned just say i will lend you my copy

Steve the one thing i would say about sprint racingg your cocks have to be motivated mate just enough or use something that will get them to get a move on a little bit quicker if you know what i mean

Steve thanks all the same mate about the books but i will stick to the sprint also hope i have not offended you but thank you all the same mate cheers

thanks Gaz,