cider vineger

mmmmm, dont think thursday will harm but i think i would prefer to have fresh friday morning and not afternoon......

thats what ive told you david do your own thing

phil411 wrote:

ok ian i was going to ask about what tonic to give befor an after race ...
what tonic do you all use ...
as just been told from a new starter last year not to be shy with treating them as he ended loseing all his birds

Phil this guy was wrong to say "Dont be shy about treating them"

There are treatments that are safe to use as a preventative eg canker, cocci, ect The products tell you that you can use as a preventative.
But if your birds are ill and you dont know what they have, get them checked via swabs and poo samples.
Just my opinion

Amanda

ian wrote:

thats what ive told you david do your own thing

true ian, i do take note.....

dark_chequer wrote:

phil411 wrote:

ok ian i was going to ask about what tonic to give befor an after race ...
what tonic do you all use ...
as just been told from a new starter last year not to be shy with treating them as he ended loseing all his birds

Phil this guy was wrong to say "Dont be shy about treating them"

There are treatments that are safe to use as a preventative eg canker, cocci, ect The products tell you that you can use as a preventative.
But if your birds are ill and you dont know what they have, get them checked via swabs and poo samples.
Just my opinion

Amanda

i agree phil, prevention treatment is one thing......but dont treat un-neccessary and blind.

great advise david and amanda couldnt of said better myself

i use cider vinegar in the water during the breeding season.as i keep large cropped pigeons they are susseptable to sour crop and a few cocks get it near the end of weaning the youngsters.i also use normal vinegar to 5 parts warm water if they come down with sour crop.it sweetens the crop and is a good natural product.

you should put a few drops in to a drinker to give you a ph ballance of 4 which is the ideal for the lining of the pigeons gut .

same thing but I use lemon juice, you cant get any more bitter and acid..excellent stuff.

Agree with you martyn lemons are good

[quote="DAVID"]only a teaspoon ray to a litre............ thats what ive been told by a few fanciers over the last 18 months or so, doesnt seem that much to me.



anyone else any thoughts....?[/quote

i asked at my pigeon feed supliers, and her and her husband raced pigeons for meny years as well as being into pigeon feeds and meds, they told me a teaspoon as david said and thats what i been doing for years now.

but saying that everyone will have their own way of doing things its always best to ask at your feed suplyer and if you not sure a vet.a new starter could easly get confused on here with all the different advice.

Cider vinegar, white vinegar, same effect. Bad bacteria dont like sour stuff.

at the moment im using it twice a week, maybe alter this when yb racing starts.....???

Well I have found cider vinegar this year first time, and I think the birds are def more healthy, only the odd yougster off colour this year not illness. Aso been using lemon juice on the corn, on the days vinegar isnt in the water.

Martyn use the honey and lemon in the water on race days that is also good and can help the pigeons