yes , those were the two birds ian, as you know the ch pied was lost as a yb, but i still have the pencil blue cock who came home in his last race from a very bad race, where lots of pigeons were lost....in fact out of the eight i sent i think i got three home, the others never to be seen again.........he also bred a breeder buyer yb, paired to a mcmurchie/jan loots hen which won a breeder/buyer race, giving me a half share in the prize money along with the fancier who bought it.
i`ll post a picture of the pencil cock when i get chance to take some photos........