Chequer bred from two blues...

always thought it wasn't possible to breed a chequer from two blue bars, had never done it and thought it was impossible........but a couple of weeks ago I had 3 eggs hatch by mistake, and one of them is a light chequer bred from both parents being blue bars..........you live and learn with pigeons don't you     

everyday I learn something new pal that's why its a great hobby    

cant say ive ever noticed that david im sure in the racing pigeon stud book they give a list of  birds when paired what colours you get ile try and find one
found one



Pairing Young Birds Produced
Cock X Hen Cocks Hens
Blue X Blue Blue Blue

Blue X Mealy Mealy Blue

Blue X Blue Check Blue, Blue Check Blue, Blue Check

Blue X Red Mealy, Red Blue, Blue Check

Mealy X Blue Blue, Mealy Blue, Mealy

Mealy X Mealy Mealy Blue, Mealy

Mealy X Blue Check Mealy, Red, Blue, Blue Check Mealy, Red, Blue, Blue Check

Mealy X Red Mealy, Red Mealy, Red, Blue, Blue Check

Blue Check X Blue Blue, Blue Check Blue, Blue Check

Blue Check X Mealy Mealy, Red Blue, Blue Check

Blue Check X Blue Check Blue, Blue Ch Blue, Blue Ch

Blue Check X Red Mealy, Red Blue, Blue Check

Red X Blue Blue, Blue Check, Mealy, Red Blue, Blue Check, Mealy, Red

Red X Mealy Mealy, Red Mealy, Red, Blue, Blue Check

Red X Blue Check Blue, Blue Check, Mealy, Red Blue, Blue Check, Mealy, Red

Red X Red Mealy, Red Mealy, Red, Blue, Blue Check

Reference: Squills 2002. International Year Book.

sorry david not possible to breed a CH. from 2 blues george

There has to be cheq in the breeding in either one of the blues

I would say it has to be a throw back

sorry don 2 blues will only ever breed blues

rainbow wrote:

sorry  david not possible to breed a CH. from 2 blues  george

that's exactly what I thought George, ive argued the toss with others on the subject but now found it is possible.........

Don Webb wrote:

There has to be  cheq in the breeding in either one of the blues

I would say it has to be a throw back

you may be right don, the hens parents were both blue bars, but the cocks parents were bred by ian, and im sure the father of this cock was a dark chequer pied.......

all I can say now through my own experience is that whoever says its not possible to breed a cheq from two blue bars is wrong, genetic experts, top fanciers....whoever they are they are mistaken, sorry but its true.............  

David wrote:

all I can say now through my own experience is that whoever says its not possible to breed a cheq from two blue bars is wrong, genetic experts, top fanciers....whoever they are they are mistaken, sorry but its true.............  

I would say it's more to do with X and Y gene just look at the mulemans all darks and pied a and blues but from what I read there was a red cock and now look they are all red splashed

But for me it has to be a throw back mate

got to be don.........

I don't think genes mix you only get x or y

I don't have squills 2008 year book page 443 but this may help I have not seen it

David wrote:

all I can say now through my own experience is that whoever says its not possible to breed a cheq from two blue bars is wrong, genetic experts, top fanciers....whoever they are they are mistaken, sorry but its true.............  

The genetics experts say it is not possible to get a Cheq from 2x blue bars unless you have a new Mutation on your hands so if you are sure that these 2 birds are the parents of the Chequer then it is a mutation. Nothing is impossible, lol.
I have some almost white pigeons and the pair breed Whites with black slash , Whites with Red splash, Reds, Grizzles, Blue bars with pied flights Blue Chequers, beacuse all these colours are in the Family.

im afraid the "genetic experts " are wrong then, I have two blue bars which have definitely bred a light chequer, and I will post a photo on site shortly....

ive waited for someone to suggest the hen might have been tread by a ch cock in the same section, but no one has suggested it, as it happens there are only blue bar cocks in the section, and a red ch and mealy hen......that's it no chequer cocks.

plus these pigeons havnt flown out of the loft for two years.........

as you say spencerline, nothings impossible is it....

lol david you sound more like doctor mengeli and we all know he tried to breed little addolfs

  

birdy2011 wrote:

lol david you sound more like doctor mengeli and we all know he tried to breed little addolfs  

  

nothing wrong with that graham, superior breeding ......and survival of the fittest.

Ok question then,

What colours bred my Mosaic?

and is it a cock or hen?

EssexSteve wrote:

Ok question then,

What colours bred my Mosaic?

and is it a cock or hen?

is there a chequer or mealy involved steve....?

Dont know only got it this year

You,ll find its Pencil mate,our overseas friends say "crayonne"

GRIZZLECOCK wrote:

You,ll find its Pencil mate,our overseas friends say "crayonne"

it aint a pencil grizzle, definitely a light chequer......I`ll post a picture of it over the next few days.

altho the father to it is slightly pencil`ed.