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PostSubject: high energy mix   Sun Mar 08, 2015 4:37 pm

Which one to buy with sow many on the market spoiled for choice can't diside
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PostSubject: Re: high energy mix   Sun Mar 08, 2015 4:52 pm

what ya thinking mark ...for basket day ,I got the versa laga (energy plus)
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PostSubject: Re: high energy mix   Sun Mar 08, 2015 7:59 pm

We have a few High Energy Mix here { Super Mix} as i call it ; but in the end we decided to mix our own as its only the last 2 & half feeds in the week that we feed it ;the other advantage was we could check each of the grain's first before mixing it so having a qauility controll with the grain being used; ;compared to buying it already mixed with maybe a substanted grain that had been put in ; also out here none had brown rice or Peanuts in them ; & the one thing with Peanuts we try & use Fresh ones that have not gone off ;
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PostSubject: Re: high energy mix   Sun Mar 08, 2015 8:26 pm

The last two days Dave as killer said I've not tryed feeding this way before as I've all ways fed heavy but traind hard
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PostSubject: Re: high energy mix   Sun Mar 08, 2015 8:30 pm

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The last two days Dave as killer said I've not tryed feeding this way before as I've all ways fed heavy but traind hard

ah rite yeah the energy mix is 24% protein and 46% fats if I remember correctly and the mix has soya beans not peanuts also sunflower hearts ,hemp etc.... pirat atb darren
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PostSubject: Re: high energy mix   Sun Mar 08, 2015 9:54 pm

most mixs are basic if you stick to a certain brand then its the corn merchat feeding your birds not you many things deter what feed your birds need ie weather change distance ya better off mixing your own jmo
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PostSubject: Re: high energy mix   Sun Mar 08, 2015 10:27 pm

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The last two days Dave as killer said I've not tryed feeding this way before as I've all ways fed heavy but traind hard

Mark that is the Matadour type of feeding system

But there is nothing wrong with feeding heavy but training hard your birds need the fuel to fly
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PostSubject: Re: high energy mix   Sun Mar 08, 2015 10:38 pm

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Which one to buy with sow many on the market spoiled for choice can't diside

Most of it Mark Smile Smile is just spin & bling by the big pigeon manufacturors of pigeon feed from my perspective. Millions has been spent trying to find that one magic mix Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes that will part ones money from ones pocket etc for their benefit. Reminds me somewhat lol! lol! lol! of eyesign Wink Wink one could keep going around & around in circles forever Smile Smile & be none the wiser. I would suspect/know many living in the back blocks as such who do not have the temptation of a bag with a pigeon on it  Wink  Wink but buy from the local farmer & they can till can fly one cracker of a pigeon as I like to put it. cheers
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PostSubject: Re: high energy mix   Sun Mar 08, 2015 10:53 pm

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Which one to buy with sow many on the market spoiled for choice can't diside

Most of it Mark Smile Smile is just spin & bling by the big pigeon manufacturors of pigeon feed from my perspective. Millions has been spent trying to find that one magic mix Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes that will part ones money from ones pocket etc for their benefit. Reminds me somewhat lol! lol! lol! of eyesign Wink Wink one could keep going around & around in circles forever Smile Smile & be none the wiser. I would suspect/know many living in the back blocks as such who do not have the temptation of a bag with a pigeon on it  Wink  Wink but buy from the local farmer & they can till can fly one cracker of a pigeon as I like to put it. cheers

Spot on Knackered but it all comes down to experience in my eyes
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PostSubject: Re: high energy mix   Sun Mar 08, 2015 10:54 pm

But I am not knocking the fanciers who buy direct from the farmer as there are a lot of fanciers who win big time buying corn this way
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PostSubject: Re: high energy mix   Sun Mar 08, 2015 11:26 pm

Don Webb ; the main reason on us changing about 15 years ago to carbo & then the super mix later in the Week { about 12 % Protein} ; was the way our birds worked the Box or Loft as you would say ;they go up another gear ;too much protein or lead sinkers as we say out here make them Sluggist ;you have only got to look at there Keels & check out the colour to confirm that ;too many Peas beans etc give off bad Toxins & effects there Blood flow;If everyone fed Peas etc & raced the same birds no one would know the differance;as you would be all getting the same results etc;once the birds are on the Carbo mix they become much lighter & bouyent in the hand ;they tend to fill there airsacks out & work the Box at a higher distance in the air & when fit will run ;yes Run ;thats straight line flying the box  ;usley flat out . cheers


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PostSubject: Re: high energy mix   Sun Mar 08, 2015 11:39 pm

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Don Webb ; the main reason on us changing about 15 years ago to carbo & then the super mix later in the Week { about 12 % Protein} ; was the way our birds worked the Box or Loft as you would say ;they go up another gear ;too much protein or lead sinkers as we say out here make them Sluggist ;you have only got to look at there Keels & check out the colour to confirm that ;too many Peas beans etc give off back Toxins & effects there Blood flow;If everyone fed Peas etc & raced the same birds no one would know the differance;as you would be all getting the same results etc;once the birds are on the Carbo mix they become much lighter & bouyent in the hand ;they tend to fill there airsacks out & work the Box at a higher distance in the air & when fit will run ;yes Run ;thats straight line flying the box  ;usley flat out . cheers

Interesting about the peas/toxins K Smile Smile I remember many years ago reading about an article on canker by Gallez etc while in Malta. Handling the top birds there he said they all had canker as such & tho being top birds for that area the level of compettion was lower in his view because of the canker. cheers
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PostSubject: Re: high energy mix   Sun Mar 08, 2015 11:46 pm

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Don Webb ; the main reason on us changing about 15 years ago to carbo & then the super mix later in the Week { about 12 % Protein} ; was the way our birds worked the Box or Loft as you would say ;they go up another gear ;too much protein or lead sinkers as we say out here make them Sluggist ;you have only got to look at there Keels & check out the colour to confirm that ;too many Peas beans etc give off back Toxins & effects there Blood flow;If everyone fed Peas etc & raced the same birds no one would know the differance;as you would be all getting the same results etc;once the birds are on the Carbo mix they become much lighter & bouyent in the hand ;they tend to fill there airsacks out & work the Box at a higher distance in the air & when fit will run ;yes Run ;thats straight line flying the box  ;usley flat out . cheers

Interesting reading Killer cheers
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PostSubject: Re: high energy mix   Sun Mar 08, 2015 11:50 pm

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Don Webb ; the main reason on us changing about 15 years ago to carbo & then the super mix later in the Week { about 12 % Protein} ; was the way our birds worked the Box or Loft as you would say ;they go up another gear ;too much protein or lead sinkers as we say out here make them Sluggist ;you have only got to look at there Keels & check out the colour to confirm that ;too many Peas beans etc give off back Toxins & effects there Blood flow;If everyone fed Peas etc & raced the same birds no one would know the differance;as you would be all getting the same results etc;once the birds are on the Carbo mix they become much lighter & bouyent in the hand ;they tend to fill there airsacks out & work the Box at a higher distance in the air & when fit will run ;yes Run ;thats straight line flying the box  ;usley flat out . cheers

Interesting about the peas/toxins K Smile Smile I remember many years ago reading about an article on canker by Gallez etc while in Malta. Handling the top birds there he said they all had canker as such & tho being top birds for that area the level of compettion was lower in his view because of the canker. cheers

Knackered in Malta there are twice as many fanciers now than when Jules Gallez was there and the competition is high

The reason for knowing this ( I know something cheers ) is because I have friends who live in Malta and race there so I know the type of racing they are up against
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PostSubject: Re: high energy mix   Mon Mar 09, 2015 3:03 am

Theres been a few Flyers from there to come out to Aussie ;they are very competitve fanciers .they all love there birds .
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PostSubject: Re: high energy mix   Mon Mar 09, 2015 7:12 am

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Theres been a few Flyers from there to come out to Aussie ;they are very competitve fanciers .they all love there birds .

All out in the west here K Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes "Maltese" speak a differant language/mindset  lol!  lol!  lol! to most of us mere mortals here.
Now !!! Wink Wink your mob going to jump on the CCF truck to fill it up Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes  etc when it finishes up in Warrnambool for the last sprint race this year bounce bounce seeing as you are all going South I believe. cheers
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PostSubject: Re: high energy mix   Mon Mar 09, 2015 7:46 am

We went with the CCF about 18 years ago to Mildura 500 plus miles & Renmark about 670 miles & had day birds in Both iliberations we here had 5 late breds on the day in Renmark by 6.30 on the night ; but CCF like there birds tracking more inland to them ; Warnmabool would be over 600 miles to us ;which is no worry ;but we have our own race program ;with Mildura ; Renmark & Launceston ; Its a long year ; never know tho . cheers
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PostSubject: Re: high energy mix   Mon Mar 09, 2015 11:11 am

we get a lot of headwinds on our north road route after 5 races we are into Scotland so I think the energy mix set them up well and feed a widowhood mix the rest of the week...would love to get farm grains but sadly no suppliers down here and would not have anywhere to store it either ...you just make the best of whats on offer
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PostSubject: Re: high energy mix   Mon Mar 09, 2015 5:45 pm

I like the Gerry plus mix it's light but engry based
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PostSubject: Re: high energy mix   Mon Mar 09, 2015 10:32 pm

killer wrote:
We went with the CCF about 18 years ago to Mildura 500 plus miles & Renmark about 670 miles & had day birds in Both iliberations we here had 5 late breds on the day in Renmark by 6.30 on the night  ; but CCF like there birds tracking more inland to them ; Warnmabool would be over 600 miles to us ;which is no worry ;but we have our own race program ;with Mildura ; Renmark & Launceston ; Its a long year ; never know tho . cheers

Good stuff K Smile Smile I wait with intrigue Wink Wink to see how it all finishes up etc. cheers
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