sire x daughter

what are members experiences of racing sire to daughter offspring ...good and bad please ,or do you think its too close ....the pair I have in mind had no previous inbred connections ie father is delbar x berendonk dam is a grooter so want to put the daughter of this pairing back to her sire

was thinking of this pairing next year not to race the ybs but to breed off still not decided which pairs will wait and see what others have to say

Would say best for breeding from to help keep the blood line

Don Webb wrote:

Would say best for breeding from to help keep the blood line

even though none of the grandparents are related don ? thanks for the reply m8

oldstrain wrote:

what are members experiences of racing sire to daughter offspring ...good and bad please ,or do you think its too close ....the pair I have in mind had no previous inbred connections ie father is delbar x berendonk dam is a grooter so want to put the daughter of this pairing back to her sire

I would not have any issues etc O/S. The hen would have what I term 2 crosses other than the Delbar side in her etc so well worth a punt . The youngsters will tell the tale if they click as such together & I would be more concerned about the next generation, if you wished to breed back to the main cock there.

Knackered wrote:

oldstrain wrote:

what are members experiences of racing sire to daughter offspring ...good and bad please ,or do you think its too close ....the pair I have in mind had no previous inbred connections ie father is delbar x berendonk dam is a grooter so want to put the daughter of this pairing back to her sire

I would not have any issues etc O/S. The hen would have what I term 2 crosses other than the Delbar side in her etc so well worth a punt . The youngsters will tell the tale if they click as such together & I would be more concerned about the next generation, if you wished to breed back to the main cock there.

thanks for yer input oz and its pretty much the way I view it

Daz you may find this a good read,  http://www.stevenvanbreemen.nl/?Mini_Course_The_Art_of_Breeding

Its in English and Dutch http://www.stevenvanbreemen.nl/?Mini_Course_The_Art_of_Breeding

thanks for the link dev

In breeding with sire x daughter or dam x son is ok, and not too bad compared to brother and sister which I would say never do. But the old janssens had best results with cousins and half brother sister matings.

It all depends on what your trying to achieve in my opinion. keeping a line or a good reason is one thing but they need to be very special to you to resort to it.

devo56 wrote:

Daz you may find this a good read,  http://www.stevenvanbreemen.nl/?Mini_Course_The_Art_of_Breeding

Its in English and Dutch    http://www.stevenvanbreemen.nl/?Mini_Course_The_Art_of_Breeding

George it's a good read and Steve has used the Professors work to help cultivate his own family

George you can subscribe to Steve's Web Magazine You can view a few articles which you will find interesting

My friend Matt Rakes has written a few articles also

I have not subscribed myself Don, but i found this website, and to be honest, like any other members in our sport. Its good to find some information on all subjects, of the sport. Then we can become better advocates for our racing pigeons, There is nothing better than good Education, in all that we do to help promote our sport. A sport i know is in your blood, along with mine and others. The way forward for all, is to share information, in order to make the sport more enjoyable and competitive. I think over the years our sport as lost a lot of good members, maybe through a lack of not being able to compete, and enjoy, leaving them getting left behind, to disappear and become another sad loss to the sport. Just my thoughts.

I would have to agree George

Rudderfett wrote:

In breeding with sire x daughter or dam x son is ok, and not too bad compared to brother and sister which I would say never do. But the old janssens had best results with cousins and half brother sister matings.

It all depends on what your trying to achieve in my opinion. keeping a line or a good reason is one thing but they need to be very special to you to resort to it.

Fair comment Rudd again Breeding, feeding or training etc I'm one of those type's that would never crucify some one who tends to think out side of the box senaro. Better to do your own thing & even fail at times, than die wondering what may have been. Even at times ??? if one may appear to be taking the long road to Rome it all for the most part add's to ones experiences, I would like to suggest here.

thanks for the comments lads I am going to give it a go .... my friend lives a few streets away from van breemen and they are members in the same club I have heard mixed things about the guy , I will just say this "its all about the money honey"

Good luck Daz, and you have a good point about the money honey, lol But i think that is how it across the channel, by some of the guys over there. Hope you breed a few good ones.

cheers dev we can but try

keep the site posted Daz of the outcome will be interesting

yeah will do don

halcanada wrote:

MMMMMMmmmmmmmmm Seniors moment Hal I suspect .

is this the outcome of a sire x daughter cross hal

oldstrain wrote:

is this the outcome of a sire x daughter cross hal

A wee bit outside the box O/S But     I have been told anything is possible in Canada etc especially if you just happen to be a pigeon flyer .

maybe its to do with gm crops ...dodgey stuff that canola oil

oldstrain wrote:

maybe its to do with gm crops ...dodgey stuff that canola oil

Could be so but then again could have something to do with those weeds ???. Hal is so fond of .