New yb perches

nice job them mr peel

300 quid nice job lol

For 300 quid they’re the dogs danglies ray, really nice

Well nice Ray

very nice ray........ getting posh now

lets hope they have plenty of winners sat on them next season ray

Very nice joinery job, however, it is how comfortable the pigeon finds them that matters, they appear too small and the pigeon would have problems turning round and getting comfortable.

It is also the quality of the occupants and not the loft that counts.


I can also see a cleaning problem.

Sorry to be negative but time will tell.

Regards.

The thing is I bought these in and they where in sets of 6 not 5 I ordered , I got mine modified to make the bigger because I didn't like the smaller ones because like you say too small and uncomfortable for the birds . Also regarding cleaning if you look closely there are pull out trays under each set ,thus easier to clean ..so far I am happy with them but again as you say time will tell. THANKS

They’re a cracking bit of kit ray, don’t let anyone say you don’t put your birds first buddy, wish I could afford some luxury like that for my babies

peel bros wrote:

300 quid nice job lol

better than peeing it all up against a wall eh ray...50 perches for £300 or were their more ...I do like my 10inch box perches though as you can get a bowl in them

Yes I prefer bigger perches myself but these are just for my ybs ..I took all my pipo boxes out because they never used them for pairing up , they preferred the floor lol...they will do

Nice box perches ray all you need now is a small team of say 100 to fill them enjoy

100 is not a problem for me lol

Perches look good. Too big leads to problems.

Gave him 3 pairs young today. Hope he sticks with them.

I trust fanciers do not feel I am being negative when commenting on matters.

If we all agreed on everything then there would be no point in discussing any matter.

As far as I am concerned I always tried to stick as close to nature as possible.

A pigeon in the wild other than when sitting eggs etc; perches on a branch, it has feet that allow it to do so.

I always found that my pigeons preferred V perches as opposed to any other, and if it was not their turn to sit etc; would rather use them than sit with their partner, but I did have complete open hole and far more perches than pigeons.

And I did have box perches also, but with plenty of room and never had any problems in that respect.


If a fancier wants to have an immaculate loft with all the best fittings etc; then it is up to him/her and nothing to do with anyone else, however, it would be interesting to know what the pigeons think.


Regards.

peel bros wrote:

Fancy, fancy Ray Well done. Amazing what a Geordie can do in the pursuit of his pleasure etc . But are you, going to let your little champs there sh**e all over them thou & spoil the picture there .

hes always got the picture
Thats only half of them knackeroo

fieldwalker wrote:

hes always got the picture
Thats only half of them knackeroo

So the rumour file I take it FW is true etc   .

Looking good. Often seen advertised, but never handled etc.

May have posted before. I looked at the prices of V perches. Both Plastic and wooden. Seemed at time £2 - 30 on average.
Any way I went to a mate at Gibbs and Dandy. - plus a few other places too. I took a template of a V perch and asked 'Could match the size baton and cut that angle for me? Said leave it with him. Others said that they could, but were dear.
A week later I was passing and went in. to see what he thought. Said 'Yep he could and would. And as I was going to buy the Ply wood and baton from the place he would do it at no charge.
Long story short I ended up with over 250 for £57. All I had to do was tap the plywood into the grove. This year I took over a hundred to Scotland for a newbie, with good birds (Of course all free!) The old when made nice fire wood for next doors log fire.
Again I filled here garden with wood when emptying the wood from all compartments.

As many know, I don't believe in the myth of Over crowding. Box perches etc. I made before. But tend to feel it takes away the natural so important element of Pecking Order. Been told that one should have a third more perches that birds often. I have no comment in that regards. All I know is that is a top perch becomes available it is very quickly took over. Also when the bird that used that perch comes back it is again took over... or demoted.

When you see inside some of the old dovecotes then you see over crouding.
Hundreds used to be in them perched in house brick sized hole.
Food for the table but fertilizer for the land, lime wasn't easy available to every farm then.

Daz wrote:

As many know, I don't believe in the myth of Over crowding.  Box perches etc. I made before. But tend to feel it takes away the natural so important element of Pecking Order.  Been told that one should have a third more perches that birds often. I have no comment in that regards. All I know is that is a top perch becomes available it is very quickly took over. Also when the bird that used that perch comes back it is again took over... or demoted.

Over crowding all in ones mind, on average I would suggest Misty from my perspective. Well known pigeon flyer here who I have the utmost respect for "Not like the flying Vet" would have 250 odd birds in a 20ft x7ft loft as such & a nicer healthier lot of birds you would go a long way to ever see . Only mistakes he makes thou is he uses builders lime every day of the year there & bricks on the floor   I'm       when extra purches are required .

Should be Garden lime. About £7 for 25K. Just watch the pigeons peck out the lime cement on buildings, so I wonder if the safe goodness isn't in all lime.

Seen flocks regularly on land for Lime and also the Cattle minerals / salts.

Now a fancier in Thrapston, named Overton, after the war, set up a loft with a few strays and freebies. I say loft... Well a decrepit ole coal bunker actually. Council house built of course. Couldn't afford to fill it with coal etc but over the years a tree had half grown through it. I kid you not. He bunged up the holes and used as a trap. raced, like many did in those days a few strays. Those that stay with a few freebies formed his family of pigeons.
often other strays join them and he knew as-as he like it, the 8 x 6 it became well filled. Youngster etc. ALL raced from there. Nested scattered on the floor, anywhere. Even an ole watering can. In, on the branch of the branches etc.

Well he devastated two clubs apparently. Both Raunds and Oundle, in days of 40 plus memberships.
So he went to Scots' a wood firm - still going -  and ordered an made to measure loft. All the best of everything and custom built etc.
He sat back and drooled, dreamed of the 'Big Time'. Dreamt of excelling in the 'Great North Road Championship'! - Now ruin and replaced by the North Road Championship. ... OR to be more precise the EAST COAST CLUB. -More maybe of that later.
Well he worked on the Ash Carts and had some days finishing. Would clean and talk, tame his pigeons.
He never won a jot after. Not a bean was won in either old birds or y/b's!. For 5 more years he tried but always, if timed in, he was bottom of the ladder! Go figure.

I believe too much room ruins any natural 'Pecking Order' which is so important to the nature element of our pigeons for a starter. Plus the 'Jealousy element is no longer prevalent. etc. etc. and much more.

I was asked by Barry Andrews, the fed president at the time if I would go and see a recently widowed lady in Roade. I said I would, but couldn't at the moment as other priorities were in place. He said in a polite huff. 'Never mind I'll get someone else'. I thought ... bla bla..'.
So a certain Stu Whiskin went.
He met the lady and all she wanted was the birds removed, not ever coming home as it was disheartening to say the least.
Her husband / fancier hadn't raced for a few years after illness and one thing or another.
Stu will tell the same to anyone. He went into this de-crapped mournful twin shed of a loft. They were two open holes.
Stacks of perches and the droppings must have been a foot high. You couldn't see the perches they were 5 inches higher or so with droppings and the birds crouched on them. He had, and hasn't since seen as many birds in such a small space.
 He went out and told the lady he would dispose of them the next day. He said to me 'I only had a couple of bin liners'!
Next day he went with a mate who was his pigeon partner late of the evening.
He blocked up the open holes / so-called traps.
Went in and took the first bird off the highest perch. 'Gosh' what a beauty! He went outside to study it. then went in and another had taken that perch! What a cracker etc. He will tell you every time I removed a bird from that perch another took it over. He says he has never ever seen pigeons in better condition!!! It was heart breaking to fill the liners!

I saw the same when I was a lad. In a farmers field was an ole cow barn. The ceiling had caved in and my mate, who worked for the farmer, was told to go and sort it out etc. It was one mass of pigeons, feathers and droppings. The youngster in the nest were now made of droppings! But was in mint condition. The droppings had dried, but became so heavy that the barn had caved in. Not the roof though. Every pigeon was a dream to look at, hold etc.
Some strays etc. and the young of the strays I guess. Birds that would grace any loft. I left my mate to it. The shed was also knocked down.

A farmer in Poiton had an old run-down shack full of pigeons in a field. Open loft etc.
He would get his farm hands once every 2 -3 years to clean it out. Otherwise, it was never touched. The farmer would close the traps night before basketing. Go in and see which ones were winking and dancing. Had any eyeliner on, and put a dozen or so in the basket and raced. He excelled. Grew old and gave the birds away .. sadly he had the loft knocked down to prevent any coming back ... Oh!

Dropping give good heat. No problem as long as they are dry!