Changing location

Does anyone know what is involved to change one's loft location?

Do I start with the RPRA? I guess the will make a charge, does any body know how much.

We had a slight problem at the beginning of this year - I sent our loft location to the RPRA as I got it from Google Earth. But that was not good in 2 ways.

1. Our club secretary had to send the Lat and Long in (not me).
2. They would not accept Google earth's measurements. They had to go through some rigmarole to change it to OS type measurements.

Very strange that both the National Flying Club and the BICC took out Google Earth coordinates without any problem.

AH well that is the RPRA for you.

Phil
p.s. Thanks Darren for the info on late breeding. That will be very useful in due course.

Charge for a loft location £3.11 can be easily obtained just by calling up the RPRA site as can any other such wanted information.


Regards.

MISTY wrote:

Charge for a loft location £3.11 can be easily obtained just by calling up the RPRA site as can any other such wanted information.


Regards.

Thanks Misty.
Phil

when you move into a new house wont your club automatically re map you...?

David wrote:

when you move into a new house wont your club automatically re map you...?

I have no idea Dave. Not had to do it before you see.

Phil

me neither phil, but when I joined the sec came out to see where my loft was, I think he stuck a pin in a map.......

This location business is real laugh regarding distances.

As is distances as a whole'

Can remember when a fancier would have his/her distances calculated by two clubs and use the longest ones, yes using a pin p***k on a local map.

When you consider some lofts are 40, 50 foot long or more and that races can be won by decimal places making in some cases the distance won by being less than one yard, yes not one yard a minute but by 36 inches and less in total one would have thought, as I have proposed for years that in view of the actual facts it is ridiculous to go to decimal places.

Can remember when distances were all re calculated, if the previous races had been re calculated on the new distances, as I pointed out at the time many WINNERS would have been also rans.

The manner used is not conversant with the distance that would be flown in a straight line and the result should be calculated with that in mind, but then, ??????.



Regards.

David wrote:

me neither phil, but when I joined the sec came out to see where my loft was, I think he stuck a pin in a map.......

Boy oh boy David . One hopes also those doing it didn't have the shakes like I have now here . Remember well here, back in the good old days I had to do a loft once out in the back blocks "black fella type country" & I had use a 200ft tape measure around a windy dirt road of a mile & a half to find the nearest intersection to take the loft measurement etc. Accurate to the nearest yard, I think not but it was the best one could do back then. Today, easy easy they just come around with a GPS tracker & just place it on the landing board as such & its all done in a split second here .

Trouble is Knackered many fanciers have three or four trapping areas and as I have said races can be won by inches.

When you consider all the anomalies involved using decimal places is ludicrous.


Regards.

MISTY wrote:

Trouble is Knackered many fanciers have three or four trapping areas and as I have said  races can be won by inches.

When you consider all the anomalies involved using decimal places is ludicrous.


Regards.  

True the wise ones thou I suspect Misty look far beyond the Fed winner to gauge an honest result etc on average I suggest. Won a Fed once on the 3rd decimal here "6 ft" took it with a but will always remember as such luck was on my side that day fortunately, compared to the bloke that finished 2nd type of thing .
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Like a lot of things to do with pigeon racing - Your REAL Loft location is just a figment of someone's imagination!  How can the NFC and BICC etc accept one sort of measurement and other bodies do not - beats me.

Misty is absolutely right - races are won now-a-days by a decimal point and if one has two or three timing pads in a 10 or 15 metre loft, the same bird could win or lose the race, just on which trap it chooses.

It is the same sort of thing with One Loft Races all over the world.  I have watched a few now, and it is very rare that the first bird home, is the first bird through the trap.

Maybe one day some bright spark will design something that takes that into consideration.

Phil

All have to be careful too when a Fancier flies two locations. Or more. Has a 'Partnership' etc. in other locations.

Was a time, and it still stands as I have never heard it being rescinded that ALL winners were to be let out the winning loft next morning. No doubt Misty can confirm either way.


Think that that should be happening regularly and not just when there is a feeling something is just not quite right. Improbable velocity.

blueskylofts wrote:

Like a lot of things to do with pigeon racing - Your REAL Loft location is just a figment of someone's imagination!  How can the NFC and BICC etc accept one sort of measurement and other bodies do not - beats me.

Misty is absolutely right - raced are won now-a-days by a decimal point and if one has two or three timing pads in a 10 or 15 metre loft, the same bird could win of loose the race, just on which trap it chooses.

It is the same sort of thing with One Loft Races all over the world.  I have watched a few now, and it is very rare that the first bird home, is the first bird through the trap.

Maybe one day some bright spark will design something that takes that into consideration.

Phil

good luck with that, people still moaning about bobs before or after the pad, rpra accept one way, whu wont, always a bone to chew either way, bird can bomb home and lead for 170miles and its still the last 100foot that counts, had it numerous times "the old bad trap", prefer the channel to sort them and 20 or 30 seconds doesn't always mean a second place or worse, hey ho each to their own

Still think is compulsory in many races Daz, release and bird must return into loft to be confirmed as winner.

Long ago over a long period a Captain Cutcliffe and I discussed many aspects of the racing side of the sport all through the BHW.


HOD, and the velocity method.


I pointed out that a velocity is a known distance divided by a known time, neither could be correct in our sport at the present time.


I suggested using a time handicap instead.


Basically you have a central loft whose full time from a race is used, all other lofts have a time handicap either added or subtracted depending on their relationship to the central loft.

Just a simple explanation but there was more involved.

I proved the HOD is a complete nonsense.


Regards.

MISTY wrote:

Still think is compulsory  in many races Daz, release and bird must return into loft to be confirmed as winner.

Long ago over a long period a Captain Cutcliffe and I discussed many aspects of the racing side of the sport all  through  the BHW.


HOD, and the velocity method.


I pointed out that a velocity is a known distance divided by a known time, neither could be correct in our sport at the present time.  


I suggested using a time handicap instead.


Basically you have a central loft whose full time from a race is used, all other lofts have a time handicap either added or subtracted depending on their relationship to the central loft.

Just a simple explanation but there was more involved.

I proved the HOD is a complete nonsense.


Regards.

Fair to say I suspect Misty  most know the present type system to gain a winner has faults on average for most flyers etc. Will it change thou some how for the better  I think not I would suggest.

Excuse my ignorance - but what is HOD?

Phil

Hours OF Darkness.

The supposed time a pigeon rests in a two day race, when some can make it on theday and others not.

Never met more stupid assumption and explained why giving several instances, (still used.)



Regards.

MISTY wrote:

Hours OF Darkness.

The supposed time a pigeon rests in a two day race, when some can make it on theday and others not.

Never met more stupid assumption and  explained why giving several instances, (still used.)



Regards.

Solve that issue for the benefit of fairness for all etc I suggest Misty & one could print money till eternity I suspect .  

Only one fair way, every minute a pigeon is out of the loft and until timed should be counted.

How can one pigeon prove conditions were possible to fly 600 miles on the day and others have any time deducted? flying 400 miles????? etc;


Regards.

MISTY wrote:

Only one fair way, every minute a pigeon is out of the loft and until timed should be counted.

How can one pigeon prove conditions were possible to fly 600 miles on the day and others have any time deducted? flying 400 miles????? etc;


Regards.

Sounds simple, simple I could suggest Misty But where long distance is involved it could/would become a total circus scenario, with the velocities pigeons would be doing on average unfortunately I suggest .

I have had the occasional pigeon comein after or right on dark. Beaten by a next day pigeon. Doubt if much will change.

Don't you guys think that we have gotten WAY of the original subject which was 'Changing Loft Location'.

Maybe we should re-Name this set of posts to something like "How many daft people does it take to make rules for pigeon racing".

Phil

Would appreciate explanation regarding those remarks, the original heading of a topic is often led away by a comment that results in something far more important than the original.

Think attempting to improve the sport as has been discussed is far more iportant than how to change a location which is not realy mind boggling.

All you have to do act as you did in the first place.

Regards.

blueskylofts wrote:

Don't you guys think that we have gotten WAY of the original subject which was 'Changing Loft Location'.

Maybe we should re-Name this set of posts to something like "How many daft people does it take to make rules for pigeon racing".

Phil

Maybe, maybe not Phil just the normal way here with the process we have in place I suggest, thankfully. End of the day thou certain wisdom was given at the start of the topic here I suspect & you also have flown pigeons in a local sense as such & also in France to maybe have some idea by now of the procedure required etc.

halcanada wrote:

I have had the occasional pigeon comein after or right on dark. Beaten by a next day pigeon. Doubt if much will change.

Occasional happens all the time here Hal "night flyers" & more so now I suspect since the electronic cocks have become the fashion etc & also because of the distance factor here, a pigeon on the day/night up till midnight cannot be beating by a pigeon the next day type of thing. Not perfect but much isn't these days I suspect with this caper of ours.
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