My new front .

What a difference this had made

grand job, pigeons will benefit, first thing you'll notice is snow white wattles and brighter eyes. Just need a bit warmer sunshine now, whenever that might be.....

Massive difference in them yes , just wish I could finish the lot but time was against us ... hopefully better results with new trap as well . Get them in quicker as sick of losing races due to bad traps

looking good ray, cant beat a corridor ...........so glad ive got one on the "new" loft, no more paddling in mud every winter

Yes definitely good to have one...makes all the difference

Where are they all dropping as they all won't get on the trap shelf do they?

looks great lads well done,push some chicken wire in the eaves to keep squirrels and rodents out atb

Yes that's to sort Darren....the birds so far drop all over, some on trap rest where the yb loft is but that will change when on roundabout

is it all polycarbon ray, you must be loaded to buy all that ......

Yes it is but the front was free the roof was expensive though..

barnie wrote:

Where are they all dropping as they all won't get on the trap shelf do they?

Don't see why not plenty of room there etc for 72 to land all as one come race day. End of the day thou  credit to Ray I say & his merry crew for a job well done as such, as I found it most interesting in the picture it painted of his general racing set up .
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I have 36 in another section so not 72 landing on one board but like you say only a few land on it at once

just a though, but how I'd do things is build a platform on legs, 4 posts set in the ground, like a tall table standing infront of the letting board big enough for each section to hit at once, get them trained to do so. But if it works as it is fair enough, good luck get to know today when racing starts maybe?

Would not be my cup of tea.

Always thought inside of loft should be the same as outside
less snow or rain, etc; (protected from).

Had a corridor just the same as that one (still there) but both ends were open and actual loft front was 1/2" galvanised mesh, from  top to bottom, loft air same as outside at all times.

Had a trapping area to one side that was always open other than race days about the same size as the one  in the picture, never trained and usualy only maybe two birds arrived together from races and would trap even if I was next to it.

Have the inside of the loft warm, feed seed and you can have show condition pigeons, full of bloom in a few days.

Nature says that pigeons have to naturally contend with all types all weather conditions pamper them and you have the unhealthy set that most fanciers have today. 

     

Regards.

Yes I agree with most of that and yes pigeons are as soft as sh**e now but I have seen a massive difference in condition of my birds since corridor and roof lights put in . Time will obviously tell . I wouldn't have a mesh front sorry.  Seen one before and the birds looked sick  as ,, miserable... but each to their own as they say . We'll see how we do

Sky lights very important said Gary.... best fancier ever.
In Peterborough, a fancier converted a green house into his loft. Flew a great pigeon too.
personally, at day's end, I believe that pigeon adapt and like the system. Loft etc.
If not, they A. fly off the top. Don't become proper contente, and hence don't hurry tp home etc.

So soon, after the 2-3 seaons one has pigeons that like the loft and system only.
Now how good etc. they are ...

If sky lights make the loft inside like  out side then it is exactly the same as the system I used with regard to how it should be but just an alternative, you need a constant exchange of air.

You get allsorts of stories some like Jack Annory, resuts dictate matters and I never had a season when I did not win my share at both racing and showimg.

I adopted mine from a fancier I visited ( Mr Killingbeck) with a view to getting a decent cock bird.

It was around  45 years ago, he pointed out some pigeons I could pick from, I did not like any.


Two took my eye but he said  they are not for sale , so I left empty handed but with the idea his pigeons were in excellent fettle and he won his share, and that is when I changed my loft. 

 If it works for you ?????.

Regards.

Well we win with our birds but I am hoping this will make them better, no standing still here try to improve every single year , albeit new stock , loft alterations,  different corn ect ect . We will try anything to get better and get more wins.  That's why that trap has been changed as losing to many races with old system. Took a while to change that but sorted now

Just hope we get  racing and you get all the wins your great efforts deserve.

Never realy put any effort in myself, just gave them a happy home, did what they  wanted and repaid me accordingly.

Regards.

I think, no believe that any and all alterations should be done a little at a time.
I feel that any alteration has an effect - That's why and what we hope for.
A little at a time will let one see if good/ bad or indifferent and needs adding to, or subtraction. Even going back to the original.
Because I believe that pgeons adapt to what they like. indeed a carry on from the main C. J.M.O.

David wrote:

is it all polycarbon ray, you must be loaded to buy all that ......

heard a rumour down here etc David Gates & Branson as such are his silent type partners now    .

We have to save up to get what we want honestly,  thats why it's harder when arseholes take it from us as they have done a few times