Yearling Final Benzing Live

David wrote:

wasnt implying anything really knackered, merely saying 105 never made it home on the day ..........but i would also say, im not a lover of letting them go at 11.50, to fly 334 miles over that terrain, knowing they wouldnt be back until around 7.30, and leaving the later birds a couple of hours to make it home before dark .

dont know what the answer would have been to do things any different, apart from bring them back, or stay over night for an earlier liberation, hoping the weather would be better .........

who can say

I know you weren't really implying anything etc David just stating the facts here so to speak & letting the world know pigeon racing can be a cruel sport in certain ways at times. Now just in case some of the do goodder/nutter crowd are watching here with disgust, nothing that is unfolding in a pigeon sense is comparable/compatible I suggest, with what is happening around the world now in a human type sense at the moment. Now       seeing as I'm on a roll here     & I've mentioned the do goodder/nutter brigade. Well       their at it again down here I'm   it appears     as mothers here now, with new born babies, are now expected to ask permission, if their new born babies want there nappies changed etc to get that bonding type feeling & moment        .  

the world really has gone mad, and is getting madder by the day .....

has the benzing system stopped clocking .....or is that still all that is home, 22 birds ?

if so 86 still away

Waited 12 months for the Final, lap top broke down, said it would be back in 5 days, just got it back.

So missed all the dismal news.

Think anyone knowing how the pigeons have been finding it difficult from short races and thousands lost in the process would have from that distance ensured an early morning liberation, things ain't what they used to be.

Think it a fiasco.

Regards.

Sun up, out they go as far as I'm concerned. We should, must always give our feathered friend any, and every chance to be in the loft at night ... sooner the better!

MISTY wrote:

Waited 12 months for the Final, lap top broke down, said it would be back in 5 days, just got it back.

So missed all the dismal news.

Think anyone knowing how the pigeons have been finding it difficult from short races and thousands lost in the process would have from that distance ensured an early morning liberation, things ain't what they used to be.

Think it a fiasco.

Regards.

Glad to see you back here etc Misty Fiasco will do a google on that one here & just see what it means before commenting    . & take care.

Daz wrote:

Sun up, out they go as far as I'm concerned. We should, must always give our feathered friend any, and every chance to be in the loft at night ... sooner the better!

That's our way here etc Daz not always possible, but we would never liberate around lunch time       if the birds had some distance to fly, we would just use a bit of that common sense factor & hold them for another day sort of thing.

2 more birds arrived back at the loft yesterday that makes 24 home .......

yeah i noticed last night david...i wonder what sort of state they are in,hopefully they went in somewhere and got fed and watered and sent on there way i have not given up all hope of our bird returning just yet

David wrote:

2 more birds arrived back at the loft yesterday that makes 24 home .......

Is there maybe a story of sorts, behind that number etc David .

28 birds back now , what a disaster ........

Such a shame she did so well, the one thing I will say is Jeremy has his own loft to look after the the OLR Loft to look after the the Yearling Loft to look after it to much

For me think the Yearling loft is survival off the fittest plus like I said in an earlier post she's an Hen that may be being run by cocks or coming into egg feeding a big youngster who knows.

But I have one thing to say it been brilliant to be apart off this I have loved every minute so either way thank you lads

She did us all proud flying the flag for us

Agree we had something to enjoy along the road and our 93 is far from being the only one to suffer the the consequences of a bad decision to liberate in the wrong circumstances.

All in all she did us proud and who knows the actual circumstances.

Did the controller have enough feed for a holdover, and if no liberation would have to travel back, not forgetting the YB loft and  his own pigeons?.

Although the whole set up leaves much to be desired I think oldstrain and 93 overall did us proud.

But think the yearling idea is not a good one after seeing this one.

Regards.

jeremy sold his own birds on the rpra auction site....cant believe the news report for the final posted the other day anyway for all the moaning and distain in the world wont bring those yearlings back the deed was done and it ruined the final ...end of for me and time to move on but hopefully 93will be in somewhere getting fed and watered ,i dont subscribe to the suggestion they are all in ireland but thats it matter closed for me here

oldstrain wrote:

jeremy sold his own birds on the rpra auction site....cant believe the news report for the final posted the other day anyway for all the moaning and distain in the world wont bring those yearlings back the deed was done and it ruined the final ...end of for me and time to move on but hopefully 93will be in somewhere getting fed and watered ,i dont subscribe to the suggestion they are all in ireland but thats it matter closed for me here

Agree with your sentiments oldstrain.

What actually bugs me is not knowing why they ended up flying more  miles than the actual race distance but in the wrong direction.

Just hope 93 either turns up herself, has done it before, or is reported.

Regards.

Don Webb wrote:

Such a shame she did so well, the one thing I will say is Jeremy has his own loft to look after the the OLR Loft to look after the the Yearling Loft to look after it to much

For me think the Yearling loft is survival off the fittest plus like I said in an earlier post she's an Hen that may be being run by cocks or coming into egg feeding a big youngster who knows.

But I have one thing to say it been brilliant to be apart off this I have loved every minute so either way thank you lads  

She did us all proud flying the flag for us

The enjoyment factor here etc Don on average for me was something special. Many pigeons may come & go over time as they do, but our 93 will always be remembered here as a good honest type who tried her very best, but in the end was sadly slaughtered by mis-management there I'm as far as I was concerned. Now seeing as that's all over as such. Local O/L/Race in play here as I speak one bloke       looking for that enjoyment factor, like we had with our little champ 93   has 40 odd in it    .  

i agree knackered, very poor decisions were made throughout the yearling races, the final being the worst...........in my opinion very little thought was given to the birds, and i think many more who entered will think the same, apart from those ar*e lickers you will always get .

David wrote:

i agree knackered, very poor decisions were made throughout the yearling races, the final being the worst...........in my opinion very little thought was given to the birds, and i think many more who entered will think the same, apart from those ar*e lickers you will always get .

Agree  entirely there can be no excuses for the whole manner the yearlings were treated.

Regards.

Don't think any fanciers would have every yearling in their loft fit and ready on any given date for over 300miles in the programme, yet these all had to go regardless of condition just to get the owners a race in the final.
A lot of these entries wouldn't have been in with a shout from 100 miles, little wonder losses were so high. Thing is if the loft manager kept these back then the owners would have been up in arms having missed out on the final, damned if he did/didn't scenario.

The only option was to put the final back to a date when all the entries were fit enough, but how do you judge that? We can go round in circles but 2 things are certain, the birds weren't prepared and conditioned to a level where they had a honest chance, and the weather really wasn't suitable for a 300 plus miles liberation mid day.

I know it was my idea to keep 93 going as a yearling, bird in the bush, we already had her there and she was racing well, whereas youngins anything can happen, but no-one could foresee how the yearling racing/training would pan out from start to finish. Lesson learnt for us all I'd say.

Don't think any fanciers would have every yearling in their loft fit and ready on any given date for over 300miles in the programme, yet these all had to go regardless of condition just to get the owners a race in the final. Barnie.
Yet in days gone by, races were for conditioning the ones the fanciers would be going for. Hence they didn't go every week. But were brought to peak for them certain races... supe form! Last 6, 7 weeks tops. Amixed bag of fitness and condition was varidable. Indeed was on a natural 'Rotable' plan. One thay could be changed if needed at the drop of the hat, for a big mobb flyer of 18, 24 yaerlings. Most lofts were happy with under a dozen.

This was a completely different situation from an  ordinary fancier.

A normal fancier would have not only yearlings but maybe a mixture up to four five year olds for racing. (although many top races are won by yearlings but have only done so in the latter years, but they are, if the fancier has any sense conditioned for certain races)

Here we had a mixture of pigeons from different lofts, no motivation and debateable training.

If all fed the same trained the same then they should all be in the same condition, and raptors or other unfortunate incidents  apart the best bird would win.

The whole situation was not thought out, as the result confirms.

Regards.

barnie wrote:

Don't think any fanciers would have every yearling in their loft fit and ready on any given date for over 300miles in the programme, yet these all had to go regardless of condition just to get the owners a race in the final.
A lot of these entries wouldn't have been in with a shout from 100 miles, little wonder losses were so high. Thing is if the loft manager kept these back then the owners would have been up in arms having missed out on the final, damned if he did/didn't scenario.

The only option was to put the final back to a date when all the entries were fit enough, but how do you judge that? We can go round in circles but 2 things are certain, the birds weren't prepared and conditioned to a level where they had a honest chance, and the weather really wasn't suitable for a 300 plus miles liberation mid day.

I know it was my idea to keep 93 going as a yearling, bird in the bush, we already had her there and she was racing well, whereas youngins anything can happen, but no-one could foresee how the yearling racing/training would pan out from start to finish. Lesson learnt for us all I'd say.

Certainly a lesson learnt type of thing Barnie I doubt here few would be capable of having a 100 odd birds fit & firing in a racing type mode at the one time for a 330 odd mile race. End of the day thou I suggest, spin the bottle any which way etc maybe       & the birds on a whole unfortunately were led to the slaughter there sadly if for some reason apparently they strangely somehow finished up in Ireland as a resting place there on the way home.

has the live benzing been turned off, been no birds recorded as homed for 8 days now ...........

still on 28.

unless reported i think thats it

Any fancier setting off  with the numbers involved and the distances flown who ended up with so few should take  up knitting.

A complete insult to our sport.

No excuses as far as I am concerned.

Regards.