2022 Rings ....

the biggest team of ybs i ever had was 30 and always flew the yb programme with at least 50% left after it ,my usual amount was 24 as i had 30 perches and would always like some spare i dont subscribe to the fact "fight for yer perch" there will already be "prime" perches to fight for ...the lofts with annual illness would/were always the bigger teams carrying 60/80 ybs ,breed less and be selective would be my advice to anyone atb

Think the more you keep Mike the harder it is to sort the wheat from the chaff.

Would never keep anything but racers, fancy pigeons OK but useless at racing and eat as much corn and need as much attention as the racers.

With a large number you get one offs, they win a race and never heard of again.

You want consistantancy and the only way ( in my humble opinion ) is to have a reasonable team of well bred pigeons and cull to performance and eventually (and with a few prayers) you will have a reasonable amount of decent performers.

Quality Mike not quantity.

Regards.

MISTY wrote:

Think the more you keep Mike the harder it is to sort the wheat from the chaff.

Would never keep anything but racers, fancy pigeons OK but useless at racing and eat as much corn and need as much attention as the racers.

With a large number you get one offs, they win a race and never heard of again.

You want consistantancy and the only way ( in my humble opinion ) is to have a reasonable team of well bred pigeons and cull to performance and eventually (and with a few prayers) you will have a reasonable amount of decent performers.

Quality Mike not quantity.

Regards.

I see read & understand what you & O/S are saying here etc Misty with your honesty. But I'm in a practical type sense, maybe Scarborough or even Bristol isn't  quite like South Carolina as such     to a degree, where ones neighbour could be 30 odd miles away in a racing sense & you have 10/12 members maybe spread over an area half the size of England Numbers as numbers go I suspect are all well & good to a degree in certain ways, if all piss in a general/similar pot come race day for the enjoyment factor but in Mikes general situation, I wouldn't like his chances there each year with his 30 race type program to be starting out each year with 25/30 odd potential champions in his race team there to survive against the local elements & perhaps hopefully hope somehow to just see the season out there to the end & also hopefully help his club mates there to do the same Now   that old google thing again   10/12 members, 30 race type program     over young birds/old birds, 1000 odd rings sold roughly each year to the members there spread over half of England as such     & I ask the simple question       who here now would be game enough     with 25/30 odd pigeons maybe swap places with Mike   & perhaps maybe go racing South Carolina style there out to 500 odd miles for the sheer enjoyment factor & experience    .    

Always liked a challenge Knaclered, but pass on that one.

Appears an entirely different kettle of fish.

Cannot realy see how you can compare performances, like I said yeas ago, you cannot compare a pigeon flying 200 miles less than others etc;.

Terrain can be different and the same for weather conditions etc;

But if you want  to compete you have to go with the tide, high or low.


Regards.

MISTY wrote:

Always liked a challenge Knaclered, but pass on that one.

Appears an entirely different kettle of fish.

Cannot realy see how you can compare performances, like I said yeas ago, you cannot compare a pigeon flying 200 miles less than others etc;.

Terrain can be different and the same for weather conditions etc;

But if you want  to compete you have to go with the tide, high or low.


Regards.

I think, maybe we just get comfortable in a local sense in our own little bubble scenario at times, just doing what we do Misty in a pigeon sense. Forget it can be a completely different type world for many, out there in pigeon land etc England, Australia, South Carolina, Canada     all different as you say as such.  

my organisation is/was spread over 4 counties so quite widespread to be fair oz for the uk especially but i get yer drift ...mike does not have a federation to help bring the birds into his district

oldstrain wrote:

my organisation is/was spread over 4 counties so quite widespread to be fair oz for the uk especially but i get yer drift ...mike does not have a federation to help bring the birds into his district

i get your drift also O/S Mike, Tanveer, Hal be a Brave man I suggest that suggests it's just a simple type walk in the park scenario there when they go racing for the enjoyment factor. Would need a hard hat & be a good runner I suspect somehow   ,

yes certainly a different animal oz eh when all things considered eh

went to club meeting yesterday, members ordering rings ......360 rings ordered, 160 of them mine ...........19 members in the club

You certainly know hpw to limit club birdage David.

Regards.

that's good membership these days, not be many clubs with 19 or more lofts listed. Worthy winners if most send each week. Get some youngins raced David mate, see what they're made of

every year i think i will have a go colin, but theres always some reason not to ......this years reason is not enough room to house a team of young birds, been toying with the idea of building upwards, or alternatively adding an L shape into the end of the loft.......but with the price of wood at the moment it could work out expensive, plus even though it is our own house, the council could, and probably would tell me to take it down due to height restrictions.

a club member locally does have a double story loft, but he applied for planning permission 30 years ago .

this coming season our club will be 50 years old ....

David wrote:

every year i think i will have a go colin, but theres always some reason not to ......this years reason is not enough room to house a team of young birds, been toying with the idea of building upwards, or alternatively adding an L shape into the end of the loft.......but with the price of wood at the moment it could work out expensive, plus even though it is our own house, the council could, and probably would tell me to take it down due to height restrictions.

a club member locally does have a double story loft, but he applied for planning permission 30 years ago .

this coming season our club will be 50 years old ....

Tap the neighbours see if they'll sell you a chunk of their garden ? Mr Leeds Louella

theres actually a piece of our land behind the garage colin, but i cvant get to it without climbing over the garage......i did intend extending the garage originally, but i built it 20years ago and never got round to it (surprise surprise LOL )

i could maybe make a door in the back of the garage

fit out the garage with door out garage to an aviary on the extra land, put stock in the garage and put race team into the new loft you've put up. Just a weekends work for you

Would think you would be hard pressed to breed to sell and race.

Just as much fun knowing others win with your birds.

If you breed to sell every race brings the chance of bringing unwanted health problems into the loft.

Massarella USED to race.

As an aside David, have you fully recovered from the virus? sincerely hope so.

Regards.

yes good point misty, doing both would be too much i think.......

re the virus, yes i feel ok, but i do have after effects from it........my eyes water a lot. and when im out side it feels like my nose is running, but it isnt .......

this is very likely after effects, but its nothing that bothers me.

my wife has has stomach problems since covid, but weve read this is a symptum/after effects......she has to be careful sometimes what she eats as she gets bad pain, but like i say its something she can live with as it comes and goes .

personally i think what i have always thought........its man made, they have tweaked the flu, and since weve had covid i am more convinced than ever, as my symptums and my wifes are as though we have been poisoned .....her hair was coming out the other week, just like it did when she first started on warfarin years ago .....its growing back now but its as though she has been poisoned .

thanks for asking misty .........much appreciated .

Glad you are both OK David.

Think much we are kept in the dark about, maybe as well or maybe we would not sleep on a night.

Would not take too much on would take the pleasure out of all.

Regards.

barnie wrote:

fit out the garage with door out garage to an aviary on the extra land, put stock in the garage and put race team into the new loft you've put up. Just a weekends work for you

Maybe so for normal folk Barnie as you suggest, but you are talking about our David as such here & if there is one thing I know he is more a general thinker type fella on average I suspect   than a doing type etc .