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George & Morgan wrote:

got to find what it is may be checker cock out on loan

If the photo is taken as all the other eyes you have shown then the eye has no merit in my opinion.

The eye cere gives a good idea of a pigeons health, the whiter, the better, the pupil is large, the smaller the better, and there is no gleam to the eye nor any eye sign of consequence.

But then I know nowt,

Regards.

not sure when it was taken as Morgan has been taken them for 4 years for me when i handle a bird the eye is the last thing i look at

personally i dont think looking at eyes, wings or tails means anything.......i cant see any logic in it ........the only thing i think we need to do is test it racing or breeding, then we will know if the bird is any good or not .

is that what you do David

David wrote:

personally i dont think looking at eyes, wings or tails means anything.......i cant see any logic in it ........the only thing i think we need to do is test it racing or breeding, then we will know if the bird is any good or not .

AGREE WITH THAT ENTIRELY.

Seen too many champions that flout all the the ruies and theories to think any theory is fool proof.

But very nice if you found a family that does have all the desirables.

Regards.

David how did you select all the birds you breed from are there none you handle and thought i'll try this one the other thing if you don't race and tour not told how the birds do for me it has to be how they handle

george when i bought these van reets they were that years young birds, 12 cocks 12 hens, and i just put them in a section and left them to it , they chose their own mates .......then each year when i put them back together most stay with the original partner, the odd few change partners, but i have never paired them to what pairs i want .

if i was racing i would pair best to best or winner to winner regardless of how they handled .or what the wing or eye looked like .

with me not racing i think that method is all i can do really .

there are a few things i'm not happy with some of the birds i have, a reason i am going to pair racers to-gather or at least one has raced in the pair there are 2 points i look tor and they are in the wing under the wing i like the gap to be very narrow were the wing joins the body the other the knuckle on the top of the wing has to be flat if i wanted sprinters then it would be the opposite to this there are other points i look for but these are the main two my dad would fan the tail never see anyone do that now don't think they would know how he never said why

MISTY wrote:

David wrote:

personally i dont think looking at eyes, wings or tails means anything.......i cant see any logic in it ........the only thing i think we need to do is test it racing or breeding, then we will know if the bird is any good or not .

AGREE WITH THAT ENTIRELY.

Seen too many champions that flout all the the ruies and theories to think any theory is fool proof.

But very nice if you found a family that does have all the desirables.

Regards.

yup they win in all shapes and sizes ,all the theories have been found wanting apart from the feet first on the landing board theory

but we all still do

George & Morgan wrote:

but we all still do

thats all part of the "pigeon fancier illness" george .......

George & Morgan wrote:

there are a few things i'm not happy with some of the birds i have, a reason i am going to pair racers to-gather or at least one has raced in the pair there  are 2 points i look tor and they are in the wing under the wing i like the gap to be very narrow were the wing joins the body the other the knuckle on the top of the wing has to be flat if i wanted sprinters then it would be the  opposite to this there are other points i look for but these are the main two my dad would fan the tail never see anyone do that now don't think they would know how  he never said why

fanning the tail truth be told George I would struggle hard here to even remember now, how many tail feathers a pigeon is supposed to have etc & much the same with flight feathers as such .

did the old fanciers do it years ago in your place Knackered

George & Morgan wrote:

did the old fanciers do it years ago in your  place Knackered

Not much for what I remember George more interested etc in the general width of the tail & if it lent to the left or right type of thing in design or went up or down. End of the day thou here bred half fantails to fly 400 odd miles so suggest maybe tail theories are entitled to go in the bin scenario, along with most theories subject to discussion in a pigeon type sense.

do you ever wonder why we bother to handle pigeons will give this one the going over to-day he could be the one with the weak eye

no he's not  the one with the weak eye there is nothing i could find to fault with him and handling him is best i can do  this is his eye i will double check

I think most fanciers have their own fads regarding what is required in a good pigeon.

For me, after a few years I knew within a couple of minutes if I liked or otherwise a pigeon.

Always liked a tail that was one feathered width when stood.

As I liked showing the racers I also liked a good handler, balanced, straight keel,
bright eyed (TWO) wings with good primaries and secondries, warm feet etc.

However, pigeons have won many races that do not conform to my liking, but I was content with the result I obtained at both racing and showing.

Regards.

Knackered wrote:

George & Morgan wrote:

there are a few things i'm not happy with some of the birds i have, a reason i am going to pair racers to-gather or at least one has raced in the pair there  are 2 points i look tor and they are in the wing under the wing i like the gap to be very narrow were the wing joins the body the other the knuckle on the top of the wing has to be flat if i wanted sprinters then it would be the  opposite to this there are other points i look for but these are the main two my dad would fan the tail never see anyone do that now don't think they would know how  he never said why

fanning the tail truth be told George I would struggle hard here to even remember now, how many tail feathers a pigeon is supposed to have etc & much the same with flight feathers as such .

i would too knackered, off the top ofmy head ive no idea how many tail feathers, primaries or secondary`s a pigeon has ......i thought the tail was mainly only used for landing

MISTY wrote:

I think most fanciers have their own fads regarding what is required in a good pigeon.

For me, after a few years I knew within a couple of minutes if I liked or otherwise a pigeon.

Always liked a tail that was one feathered width when stood.

As I  liked showing the racers I also liked a good handler, balanced, straight keel,
bright eyed (TWO) wings with good primaries and secondries, warm feet etc.

However, pigeons have won many races that do not conform to my liking, but I was content with the result I obtained at both racing and showing.

Regards.  

yes me too misty, always preferred a pigeon with a single tail feather when looking down at the tail, never liked the fantail types ....

have not found anyone who likes a long cast pigeon like this blue w/f

All you have to do is look at all the pigeons that have put up the best performances and you will find they vary in most respects, there is no perfect model.

If you have a actual close knit family then certain qualities show up in certain pigeons, have a mongrel flock and it is more of a gamble.

Think, thinking too much spoils the enjoyment.


Regards.

what i said misty i could find no one who liked a long cast bird have you had any or handled one that was any good

George & Morgan wrote:

what i said misty i could find no one who liked a long cast bird have you  had any or handled one that was any good

i do not like long cast pigeons, i once got a stray in which was long cast, it was horrible ........dark cheq it was, lovely head, and body shape but very long, horrible it was .

George & Morgan wrote:

what i said misty i could find no one who liked a long cast bird have you  had any or handled one that was any good

I have mostly had medium well bodied, well balanced pigeons, think you could get the same in long cast ones, winners come in all shapes and sizes.

Think performance dictates what is what.

One of the most expensive ever pigeons was a little hen that was not what I and many others woud think an ideal build.

Regards

one of my best racers was long cast my 66 that david bred me he has 2nd open 12th open 15th open ,not easy on the eye to some but he is bootiful to me i think we look into theories to much ,if a pigeon could talk i think they would p1$$ themselves at some of the theories we have ie wing,tail,eye etc...none of it has factual evidence but it gives topic for conversation eh