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ian wrote:

DAVID wrote:

does this work the same way if you lock widowood hens up, or if you locked roundabout hens up ...?

the only thing with locking birds in their boxes is they get stressed

If you look at the pigeon films "Small is Beautiful" Mark Evans used that same system and you can't tell me 20 to 30 first a year youe pigeons get stressed ??

what are hen boxes for don

I am saying nothing mate don't want any conflict

think its for the widowhood hens alex......

I see david always thought widowhood hens were in one half of the 'double' boxes

Don Webb wrote:

ian wrote:

DAVID wrote:

does this work the same way if you lock widowood hens up, or if you locked roundabout hens up ...?

the only thing with locking birds in their boxes is they get stressed

If you look at the pigeon films "Small is Beautiful" Mark Evans used that same system and you can't tell me 20 to 30 first a year youe pigeons get stressed ??

as i said they get stressed not saying not to do it just i dont like it many roads to rome

Alex wrote:

what are hen boxes for don

alex see if you can understand what iam on about before you make comment , all i was saying i used to lockup my widowhood hens for 3 -4 days before a race and flash them to the cocks on race entry day this kept the hens fresh but also stressed them out ,i dont like to see them this way so i now keep them in an open end on v perches it works for me, you claim to now everything alex yet your 17 , ive met your type before , also see what your trying to do is wind me and don up to bite at each other, well its not going to work so your wasting your time , leave it alone alex the forum will be better for it

Alex wrote:

I see david always thought widowhood hens were in one half of the 'double' boxes

no alex, as you know the cocks are in their own section which has the widowhood nestboxes in it..............now to stop the hens pairing up to each other some fanciers lock the hens in smallish boxes where they are fed and watered and this stops the hens from pairing to each other and also keeps them keen for the cocks, which obviously is better for the cocks and should make them race better.

on basketing night ive heard fanciers do different methods when showing the hens but most of them include locking either the cock or the hen in the widowhood box and then either letting them togeather or not etc.........

yes alex i think ians right your only 17 you cant have the amount ov knowledge as an older person{not saying ians ancient}

ian wrote:

Alex wrote:

what are hen boxes for don

alex see if you can understand what iam on about before you make comment , all i was saying i used to lockup my widowhood hens for 3 -4 days before a race and flash them to the cocks on race entry day this kept the hens fresh but also stressed them out ,i dont like to see them this way so i now keep them in an open end on v perches it works for me, you claim to now everything alex yet your 17 , ive met your type before , also see what your trying to do is wind me and don up to bite at each other, well its not going to work so your wasting your time , leave it alone alex the forum will be better for it

Wish i'd seen this earlier. Ticked me right off....

Now see if you understand where i'm coming from. I have seen hen boxes for sale, now i'm on the lookout for widowhood boxes. If I want to ask someone what they are for I will. I was asking what hen boxes were for for what they do, not towards anything you have said. At no point have I wound you up. Infact ask David or Don, I was the one who reassured Don so he didnt leave the site. If Don's online I will ask him what I like, afterall he's kept pigeons long enough....

What on earth makes a difference if im 17 or 77, I know what i'm talking about, and not stupid by any stretch of the imagination. 'youve met my type before', what one who likes to learn things? All im here for Ian, you say you want young people in the sport and your pushing me away like that...

Where have I ever said I know everything.

DAVID wrote:

Alex wrote:

I see david always thought widowhood hens were in one half of the 'double' boxes

no alex, as you know the cocks are in their own section which has the widowhood nestboxes in it..............now to stop the hens pairing up to each other some fanciers lock the hens in smallish boxes where they are fed and watered and this stops the hens from pairing to each other and also keeps them keen for the cocks, which obviously is better for the cocks and should make them race better.

on basketing night ive heard fanciers do different methods when showing the hens but most of them include locking either the cock or the hen in the widowhood box and then either letting them togeather or not etc.........

Thankyou David, finally someone answered my original question, wouldnt have worried who it was from.

alex like i said before i will help any new member out without hesitation , if i misunderstood what you were getting at then i appoligise but i dont think i was far wrong with what i said , and yes you can ask anybody what you want at any time thats what its all about , but when it involves contridicting me them yes i will give my point of view if you dont like it then fine get over it and move on

Don Webb wrote:

ian wrote:

DAVID wrote:

does this work the same way if you lock widowood hens up, or if you locked roundabout hens up ...?

the only thing with locking birds in their boxes is they get stressed

If you look at the pigeon films "Small is Beautiful" Mark Evans used that same system and you can't tell me 20 to 30 first a year youe pigeons get stressed ??

this is what iam on about alex this is the reply to a simple answer anybody who says pigeons dont get stressed locked in a box 12"x12" for several days doesnt know nothing about pigeons, i know from experience

when i raced widowhood years ago we had to be careful that the hens wouldnt pair up, as we all know this would ruin our widowhood cocks for insentive purposes to race home quickly...........to try combat this we would leave the hens in the aviery during the day on roofing lats placed accross the aviery which didnt give them a nice comfortable place to nest and pair up, we also would keep them a little light on their feed and never used any floor covering which would encourage them to nest also...........


when i do get round to racing widowhood this year hopefully, i think i will try stick to these methods as i personally dont like having birds locked up all the time and having no freedom..............i wouldnt confine my birds just to win a race or two, but i do understand why fanciers do it if they are keen to win.

thanks david for your honest opinion this is my thoughts exactly,

Think you did get it wrong. When you type on a phone it's a bit different to a laptop, theres things I dont see because the pages are smaller.
Plus reading that I thought that they were shut in the other side of a widowhood box, not in a specific box for them. I wanted to know the purpose of a hen box, David was the only one who understood what I said. Didnt set you up for an argument atall, infact I never saw it... Id have asked Don what a hen box was for on any topic because I remembered, only by chance it was this one I said it on.

Yes a bird would be stressed, no doubt, I agree. And would agree if any member had said. But how am I supposed to know they are on lock-down in there for days, afterall its only here where I'm learning. Remember me in the beginning had birds and hardly knew what to do with them. I'm intrested in my birds and spend alot of time with them, cant help that. I'm learning about the widowhood system slowly, just remember I have only had birds since September.

then lets put it behind us and get on with helping each other out, after all we cant all see eye to eye can we

Think we should, afterall, we both think the same about the boxes now I know what their purpose is.

alex when you see them rattling the box front damaging tail flights its not nice mate we are supposed to love our birds, but to some people its all about winning nothing else ,dont get me wrong i also want t win every week

alex, your not on the site on a phone are you.......?

will cost a fortune

ian wrote:

alex when you see them rattling the box front damaging tail flights its not nice mate we are supposed to love our birds, but to some people its all about winning nothing else ,dont get me wrong i also want t win every week

Do not like the sound of that Mine are treated like babies, even the old timers... Like my birds to come to me in the loft and move around. Thats half the fun, them being tame and out to see me, the other half of the fun part is when they will be racing. Cant wait for that.

Thats why when I say my goals are just getting them back, I wouldn't like to loose any of them, if they return fine and have won thats a bonus at the moment But as I say happy enough just to look after them, be with them.

DAVID wrote:

alex, your not on the site on a phone are you.......?

Christmas eve I was Dont think i'd have typed all that out of the last couple replies on a phone do you David

alex, got my daughter a DSI XL and she can get on the internet with it.........she got onto this site yesterday.

You will want one now eh David?