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chris perry Hatchling
Posts : 551 Join date : 2010-07-18 Age : 58 Location : walsall, westmidlands,
| Subject: E T S to have or not Sat Apr 09, 2011 8:19 pm | |
| looked at some results from last year from a partnership not far from me, bet they was glad of E T S system.
Birds liberated at SWAINSWICK YB 5 at 08:00:00 On Wednesday 25 AUG 2010 7 Clubs Sent 541 Birds Wind Conditions:LIGHT SOUTH WEST
Federation Race 16
Pos Name Miles/Yards Actual Flying Time Velocity Ring No Club
1 Duggan & Hughes 85.0799 01:35:34 1573.760 GB 10T 26012 Pelsall MWC 2 Duggan & Hughes 85.0799 01:35:35 1573.486 GB 10F 29927 Pelsall MWC 3 Duggan & Hughes 85.0799 01:35:38 1572.663 GB 10F 29921 Pelsall MWC 4 Duggan & Hughes 85.0799 01:35:41 1571.841 GB 10A 05595 Pelsall MWC 5 Duggan & Hughes 85.0799 01:35:41 1571.841 GB 10A 05596 Pelsall MWC 6 Duggan & Hughes 85.0799 01:35:42 1571.567 GB 10F 29922 Pelsall MWC 7 Duggan & Hughes 85.0799 01:35:45 1570.747 GB 10T 26011 Pelsall MWC 8 Duggan & Hughes 85.0799 01:35:46 1570.473 GB 10F 29928 Pelsall MWC 9 Duggan & Hughes 85.0799 01:35:46 1570.473 GB 10F 29910 Pelsall MWC 10 Duggan & Hughes 85.0799 01:35:46 1570.473 GB 10F 29914 Pelsall MWC 11 Duggan & Hughes 85.0799 01:35:47 1570.200 GB 10F 29907 Pelsall MWC 12 Duggan & Hughes 85.0799 01:35:47 1570.200 GB 10F 29904 Pelsall MWC 13 Duggan & Hughes 85.0799 01:35:47 1570.200 GB 10H 07400 Pelsall MWC 14 Duggan & Hughes 85.0799 01:35:47 1570.200 GB 10H 07399 Pelsall MWC 15 Duggan & Hughes 85.0799 01:35:48 1569.927 GB 10X 19460 Pelsall MWC 16 Duggan & Hughes 85.0799 01:35:49 1569.654 GB 10F 29930 Pelsall MWC 17 Duggan & Hughes 85.0799 01:35:50 1569.381 GB 10F 29915 Pelsall MWC 18 Duggan & Hughes 85.0799 01:35:50 1569.381 GB 10T 26005 Pelsall MWC 19 Duggan & Hughes 85.0799 01:35:50 1569.381 GB 10T 26017 Pelsall MWC 20 Duggan & Hughes 85.0799 01:35:51 1569.108 GB 10P 04275 Pelsall MWC Any objections to be in writing within 14 days of publication of result |
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peel bros Oldbird
Posts : 13064 Join date : 2009-03-27 Age : 59 Location : south shields
| Subject: Re: E T S to have or not Sat Apr 09, 2011 8:22 pm | |
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birdy2011 Oldbird
Posts : 5539 Join date : 2011-01-01 Age : 63
| Subject: Re: E T S to have or not Sat Apr 09, 2011 8:24 pm | |
| fed race 500 birds dont let ian see that his club sends more lol |
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chris perry Hatchling
Posts : 551 Join date : 2010-07-18 Age : 58 Location : walsall, westmidlands,
| Subject: Re: E T S to have or not Sat Apr 09, 2011 8:36 pm | |
| - birdy2011 wrote:
- fed race 500 birds dont let ian see that his club sends more lol
it was a y/b midweek,but some result for the guys, the wolverhampton fed sent 4,988 birds from swainswick today |
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David Oldbird
Posts : 43215 Join date : 2009-03-18 Location : Leeds
| Subject: Re: E T S to have or not Sat Apr 09, 2011 11:53 pm | |
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Don Webb Oldbird
Posts : 14926 Join date : 2009-03-27 Age : 51 Location : Tipton
| Subject: Re: E T S to have or not Sun Apr 10, 2011 7:51 pm | |
| That is the problem when you have a team come together, and it is the new starters who feel the problem |
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Don Webb Oldbird
Posts : 14926 Join date : 2009-03-27 Age : 51 Location : Tipton
| Subject: Re: E T S to have or not Sun Apr 10, 2011 7:54 pm | |
| - chris perry wrote:
- looked at some results from last year from a partnership not far from me,
bet they was glad of E T S system.
Birds liberated at SWAINSWICK YB 5 at 08:00:00 On Wednesday 25 AUG 2010 7 Clubs Sent 541 Birds Wind Conditions:LIGHT SOUTH WEST
Federation Race 16
Pos Name Miles/Yards Actual Flying Time Velocity Ring No Club
1 Duggan & Hughes 85.0799 01:35:34 1573.760 GB 10T 26012 Pelsall MWC 2 Duggan & Hughes 85.0799 01:35:35 1573.486 GB 10F 29927 Pelsall MWC 3 Duggan & Hughes 85.0799 01:35:38 1572.663 GB 10F 29921 Pelsall MWC 4 Duggan & Hughes 85.0799 01:35:41 1571.841 GB 10A 05595 Pelsall MWC 5 Duggan & Hughes 85.0799 01:35:41 1571.841 GB 10A 05596 Pelsall MWC 6 Duggan & Hughes 85.0799 01:35:42 1571.567 GB 10F 29922 Pelsall MWC 7 Duggan & Hughes 85.0799 01:35:45 1570.747 GB 10T 26011 Pelsall MWC 8 Duggan & Hughes 85.0799 01:35:46 1570.473 GB 10F 29928 Pelsall MWC 9 Duggan & Hughes 85.0799 01:35:46 1570.473 GB 10F 29910 Pelsall MWC 10 Duggan & Hughes 85.0799 01:35:46 1570.473 GB 10F 29914 Pelsall MWC 11 Duggan & Hughes 85.0799 01:35:47 1570.200 GB 10F 29907 Pelsall MWC 12 Duggan & Hughes 85.0799 01:35:47 1570.200 GB 10F 29904 Pelsall MWC 13 Duggan & Hughes 85.0799 01:35:47 1570.200 GB 10H 07400 Pelsall MWC 14 Duggan & Hughes 85.0799 01:35:47 1570.200 GB 10H 07399 Pelsall MWC 15 Duggan & Hughes 85.0799 01:35:48 1569.927 GB 10X 19460 Pelsall MWC 16 Duggan & Hughes 85.0799 01:35:49 1569.654 GB 10F 29930 Pelsall MWC 17 Duggan & Hughes 85.0799 01:35:50 1569.381 GB 10F 29915 Pelsall MWC 18 Duggan & Hughes 85.0799 01:35:50 1569.381 GB 10T 26005 Pelsall MWC 19 Duggan & Hughes 85.0799 01:35:50 1569.381 GB 10T 26017 Pelsall MWC 20 Duggan & Hughes 85.0799 01:35:51 1569.108 GB 10P 04275 Pelsall MWC Any objections to be in writing within 14 days of publication of result The best result was by J Hulse and Son in the same fed on a saturday they had the first 21 in a youngbird race |
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Don Webb Oldbird
Posts : 14926 Join date : 2009-03-27 Age : 51 Location : Tipton
| Subject: Re: E T S to have or not Sun Apr 10, 2011 7:57 pm | |
| but that is were ETS can cause problems and rub salt in the wound for new starters |
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IANYOUNG Oldbird
Posts : 11428 Join date : 2009-03-30 Age : 60 Location : south shields
| Subject: Re: E T S to have or not Sun Apr 10, 2011 7:59 pm | |
| how can the ets cause problems dont understand if somebody beats you then they beat you regardless of the system they use |
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Don Webb Oldbird
Posts : 14926 Join date : 2009-03-27 Age : 51 Location : Tipton
| Subject: Re: E T S to have or not Sun Apr 10, 2011 8:10 pm | |
| - ian wrote:
- how can the ets cause problems dont understand if somebody beats you then they beat you regardless of the system they use
Ian yes someone beats you then they beat you but if they beat you with 20 pigeons even you would feel a bit sick if this happened every week And with new starters learning it does not help them |
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IANYOUNG Oldbird
Posts : 11428 Join date : 2009-03-30 Age : 60 Location : south shields
| Subject: Re: E T S to have or not Sun Apr 10, 2011 8:14 pm | |
| if they beat you with twenty then thats it , i know where you coming from tho but i want to beat the best dont want any false positions |
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Alex Youngbird
Posts : 3337 Join date : 2010-09-22 Age : 85
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IANYOUNG Oldbird
Posts : 11428 Join date : 2009-03-30 Age : 60 Location : south shields
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birdy2011 Oldbird
Posts : 5539 Join date : 2011-01-01 Age : 63
| Subject: Re: E T S to have or not Sun Apr 10, 2011 9:51 pm | |
| see what i mean and david made him chat mod the mind bodles |
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Don Webb Oldbird
Posts : 14926 Join date : 2009-03-27 Age : 51 Location : Tipton
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Alex Youngbird
Posts : 3337 Join date : 2010-09-22 Age : 85
| Subject: Re: E T S to have or not Sun Apr 10, 2011 10:16 pm | |
| - Don Webb wrote:
- Alex wrote:
- if i timed mine in when the 2nd came in am i 2nd or 21st
Alex the way i read that mate i would say you would be 21st sorry, if i am wrong then put me right please yes don if mine dropped as their first one came in then i would be 21st not 2nd where i should be if i had ets, my point is a whole club and fed need to be on it to be fair yes you need the birds and need them to come but i wouldnt stand a chance week in week out. plus if a fancier was allowed to clock only 4 and i timed in the same as above would the results make me 4th or 21st as i should be, sport needs to be kept fair and no im not against ets would love to use it |
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Alex Youngbird
Posts : 3337 Join date : 2010-09-22 Age : 85
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David Oldbird
Posts : 43215 Join date : 2009-03-18 Location : Leeds
| Subject: Re: E T S to have or not Sun Apr 10, 2011 11:48 pm | |
| thing that bugs me is how come a fancier can clock in half a dozen birds on the same time using ETS, but someone using an STB cannot put two rubbers in one thimble.......... the mind does boggle now. |
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David Oldbird
Posts : 43215 Join date : 2009-03-18 Location : Leeds
| Subject: Re: E T S to have or not Sun Apr 10, 2011 11:53 pm | |
| - ian wrote:
- how can the ets cause problems dont understand if somebody beats you then they beat you regardless of the system they use
dont agree that two fanciers flying to more or less the same destination and both getting a pigeon dropping at the same time, with one using ETS and the other using a T3 are both on an even footing.....? nonesence..... plus some of the ETS traps ive seen look to allow the bird to be timed before the pigeon is actually in the loft........the trap is desined to allow this therefor giving another advantage over the man who uses a clock. |
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Don Webb Oldbird
Posts : 14926 Join date : 2009-03-27 Age : 51 Location : Tipton
| Subject: Re: E T S to have or not Sun Apr 10, 2011 11:58 pm | |
| - DAVID wrote:
- thing that bugs me is how come a fancier can clock in half a dozen birds on the same time using ETS, but someone using an STB cannot put two rubbers in one thimble.......... the mind does boggle now.
Your correct there David spot on |
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Don Webb Oldbird
Posts : 14926 Join date : 2009-03-27 Age : 51 Location : Tipton
| Subject: Re: E T S to have or not Sun Apr 10, 2011 11:59 pm | |
| - DAVID wrote:
- ian wrote:
- how can the ets cause problems dont understand if somebody beats you then they beat you regardless of the system they use
dont agree that two fanciers flying to more or less the same destination and both getting a pigeon dropping at the same time, with one using ETS and the other using a T3 are both on an even footing.....? nonesence.....
plus some of the ETS traps ive seen look to allow the bird to be timed before the pigeon is actually in the loft........the trap is desined to allow this therefor giving another advantage over the man who uses a clock. Spot on 100% mate |
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Alex Youngbird
Posts : 3337 Join date : 2010-09-22 Age : 85
| Subject: Re: E T S to have or not Sun Apr 10, 2011 11:59 pm | |
| i agree with all of what david has said my point fully
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Gwythr2011 In egg (newbie)
Posts : 16 Join date : 2011-04-04
| Subject: Re: E T S to have or not Mon Apr 11, 2011 10:37 pm | |
| Whats the average price difference between the two methods, would people say? |
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David Oldbird
Posts : 43215 Join date : 2009-03-18 Location : Leeds
| Subject: Re: E T S to have or not Mon Apr 11, 2011 10:44 pm | |
| ETS would cost far more than a manual timer............ |
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oldstrain Oldbird
Posts : 16306 Join date : 2011-01-03 Location : the magic roundabout
| Subject: Re: E T S to have or not Mon Apr 11, 2011 11:06 pm | |
| the ongoing cost of having to buy ets rings makes it much more exspensive than a traditional clock |
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