darkness and the eyes

Lol I'm glad I lost it, It was horrible, it was a dirty dilute red that looked grey.

Gary if you have seen the film through the looking glass by Tony Cowen there was an UNC fancier on there talking about wing theory and he sent a tippler over the channel to bourge and it returned late on the day

Wicked. Not seen it mate. So there's someone else as raving as me

Would not say your raving just prepared to try something new or different or compare results

It was just a friendly bet, because my dropper used to fly off for an hour when I let it out. I said to my mate, I bet i could breed this with one of my racebirds and still beat him. I did.

Fair play mate thats what it is all about

We were only laughing about it the other day and how horrible the colour was

Should have taken a photo of it mate would have been good to see it

im sure i read some where that fancy pigeons were crossed with the carrier to add speed, dunno if it was tiplers but you never know you could be on to something there gary

I once many years ago knew a good channel flier who had birds with Birmingham roller in them. He did well with them but when they were exercising around the every now and then the would flip.

nice one

is it the rollers the fly in the competitions to see whos can fly the longest time ?

Don't know owt about them.

they fly for hours dont they without comming down

I not only find yb eyesign shows worthless, but almost any racing eye shows also. Breeding eye shows are a different matter, however I can sometimes find a good long distance birds eye, but all others in my opinion are rubbish. I have said on here once before that last year I held a pigeon which in our area made history from 500 miles, an amazing racer which had a mature 3 year old eye. If the bird had been in a show or sale I wud have failed to pick the bird out from others for sure, and thats me being honest. I have seen many good racers and unless they also posess breeding quaility in the eye also which lots of long distance birds have then I cant tell a good racer from the eye. tried many times and failed.

if it wins come saturday its got better eyes than them behind it

hi martym i agree mostly with what you have said, but isnt a sprint eye different from a distance eye.....?

and also they say some eyes are dual purpose eyes, meaning racing and breeding.....?

Rudderfett wrote:

I not only find yb eyesign shows worthless, but almost any racing eye shows also. Breeding eye shows are a different matter, however I can sometimes find a good long distance birds eye, but all others in my opinion are rubbish. I have said on here once before that last year I held a pigeon which in our area made history from 500 miles, an amazing racer which had a mature 3 year old eye. If the bird had been in a show or sale I wud have failed to pick the bird out from others for sure, and thats me being honest. I have seen many good racers and unless they also posess breeding quaility in the eye also which lots of long distance birds have then I cant tell a good racer from the eye. tried many times and failed.

I know were your coming from Martyn

David wrote:

hi martym i agree mostly with what you have said, but isnt a sprint eye different from a distance eye.....?

and also they say some eyes are dual purpose eyes, meaning racing and breeding.....?

Yes David you have what they call speed lines and distance lines which are longer than the short speed line but some pigeons can have distance lines and win sprinting

this dual purpose eye is a thing which Bill Carney always said and for me i could never work it out confused .don

:DHi David, what I said was distance eyes/racers eyes which also have breeding qualities can be read...which is the duel purpose eye. But distance and Sprinters which have no breeding traits in the eyes are the same as almost any racers eyes and cannot be read.
However I had a cock with racing eyes which had a beautiful eye but not any real breeding traits breed brilliant birds for me that didnt win races but did race ok but they went on to breed good birds, I also believe birds which race well but have no breeding qualities in the eye should be the ones to put to a breeding eye, I think breeding eye to breeding eye is a bad thing and rarely produces good racers.????

hi martyn, i dont think eyes breed typically to type, what i mean is ive paired what would be classed as simple and not very good racing eyes togeather, some of the ybs off of them have fantastic looking breeding eyes which had all the atributes of a good breeding eye and totally different to any of the parents.........also ive seen in the eysign articles the writer saying all the eyes are typical of a family of birds and are all alike, this isnt always the case ive found.....

I agree Martyn.
I have some cracking racers in the stock loft, if we went on eyes, then really they should not be in there. Our stock TBH breed quite a lot of good pigeons, Every now and then we get an exceptional pigeon.
But eyes don't really carry any weight, where it comes to breeding selections.
One thing I have found though, is bull eyed pigeons. They always seem to add strength to pigeons with, I don't know if weak eye is the correct term.

Rudderfett wrote:

:DHi David, what I said was distance eyes/racers eyes which also have breeding qualities can be read...which is the duel purpose eye. But distance and Sprinters which have no breeding traits in the eyes are the same as almost any racers eyes and cannot be read.
However I had a cock with racing eyes which had a beautiful eye but not any real breeding traits breed brilliant birds for me that didnt win races but did race ok but they went on to breed good birds, I also believe birds which race well but have no breeding qualities in the eye should be the ones to put to a breeding eye, I think breeding eye to breeding eye is a bad thing and rarely produces good racers.????

how can you read some eyes and not others is beyond me never heard such rubbish

birdy2011 wrote:

Rudderfett wrote:

:DHi David, what I said was distance eyes/racers eyes which also have breeding qualities can be read...which is the duel purpose eye. But distance and Sprinters which have no breeding traits in the eyes are the same as almost any racers eyes and cannot be read.
However I had a cock with racing eyes which had a beautiful eye but not any real breeding traits breed brilliant birds for me that didnt win races but did race ok but they went on to breed good birds, I also believe birds which race well but have no breeding qualities in the eye should be the ones to put to a breeding eye, I think breeding eye to breeding eye is a bad thing and rarely produces good racers.????

how can you read some eyes and not others is beyond me never heard such rubbish

Graham just a thing people can see when looking at the eye

Its the same mate when i say the eye looks flat everyone has different sayings mate but we all have opinion

im not knocking anyone each to there own but whe you say ya can read some eyes and not others to me that means ya know nothing in the first place
so ill keep off this subject cus as far as im concerned if its sparkling and the birds fit come race day im happy