THE EYES HAVE IT

Just read an article regarding the homing ability of birds and possibly all animals in relation to the eyes.

Apparently there is a protein in the eye that affects the ability to navigate.

If this is true then it may have bearing on the eye sign theory, ie; a certain feature in the eye showing a higher concentration of the protein etc;

The intention is to look further into the matter which may have interesting results.


Regards.

ive heard the eye can give an indication as to the birds health, but how do you see protein in an eye ...?

David wrote:

ive heard the eye can give an indication as to the birds health, but how do you see protein in an eye ...?

Nothing more certain than using the eye as a indication of a birds health etc David from my perspective The protein factor I will just leave to those that have more time on this planet than I have .

Obviously we normal ?? mortals will not have any idea regarding isolating the elements relative to this particular matter, however, those doing the research will be able to isolate everything applicable and it may throw some light on the matter of orientation in animals, pity they do not try the same with humans because many have lost their way beyond recall.

Regards.

ive seen eyes which some would think were fantastic racers or breeders, but belonged to fantails....


does this mean eye sign theory is worthless ?

look at a lizards eye, not that much different from a pigeons, does this mean the lizard can run fast...?

The people who are undertaking the study are attempting to further the understanding of the orientation in animals.


It has nothing to do with eye sign as such, as in the pigeon theory.


They are attempting to acertain if the protien involved plays a significant part in orientation, they have proved it exists and is involved and does effect orientation, it is to what extent.

If during the investigation it can also be found the protien also affects certain characteristics in the eye it could further the interest in eye sign over all.

I have seen what have, under the present theory regarding pigeons, seen some of the best eyes in townies etc; along with those in churches etc;

This doea not mean that those concerned did not possess good homing ability.

The same applies to all animals.

Regards.

David wrote:

ive seen eyes which some would think were fantastic racers or breeders, but belonged to fantails....


does this mean eye sign theory is worthless  ?

look at a lizards eye, not that much different from a pigeons, does this mean the lizard can run fast...?

Some Do I suggest. Get an angry type goanna right up your **** etc David & the speed required to out run it, is up there in the record breaking class, as such .

https://www.facebook.com/ScienceNaturePage/videos/1319996028132652/?t=214
Birds eyes.

Thanks Hal, a very interesting video.


Regards.

yes, very interesting......question is, why study finches and robins navigation abilities, why not use a homing pigeon ?

does it work on footballers, a few here need looking at, bet you wouldn't find an ounce of scoreing ability in our lot

I would think that if they establish a sound principle regading orientation in any bird one would think it applied to all.

However, the more certainties the less enjoyment, it is all the improbables that make our sport special.


Regards.

I cant see how they could misty, you cant compare a racing pigeons homing ability to a finch or robin surely.......

or is it yet another pointless study ....?

There is no study pointless if there is a reasonable chance of learning something new.

If they study the robins orientation one would think that the same principle applies to all birds.


If they used the pigeon the same would apply.


Regards.

robin or finch racing to become the next big thing then ?.........imagine waiting on a finch from the 500 mile, channel races.

i doubt it will ever catch on.

I think you have missed the point David, the research has nothing to do with anything other than orientation and the implications relative to protein and orientation.

There is no mention of anything else.


As I have said previously, if it can be established that protein does play a major part in orientation and manifests itself in a recognisable manner as to it's eyes or anything else it can only add to and not detract from.


If it is applicable to robins then one would think it is the same for all birds.

Exactly the same would apply if pigeons were used instead of robins, the fact is that the cage bird enthusiasts etc; are concerned immediately a possible problem arises as with the present laws that are to be introduced, there representatives met the relevant government body within weeks to discuss the matters, the RPRA waited 45 years.

The matter of what constitutes business regarding hobbies might also apply to pigeon sellers.


Regards.

Eyes, hearing, whatever. All have been touted as the reason pigeons (or other birds/animals ) migrate etc,. It is a theory so far, same as the others,  but any thing that gives fanciers something to think about is worth while. Driver leaves the pub all drunked up. Gets in the car and starts it up. Drives home in it accident free. Memory or visual sites or sounds or just lucky? Depends on the driver. Some can relate, others not. Same with pigeons. How to find them? Send them.

halcanada wrote:

Eyes, hearing, whatever. All have been touted as the reason pigeons (or other birds/animals ) migrate etc,. It is a theory so far, same as the others,  but any thing that gives fanciers something to think about is worth while. Driver leaves the pub all drunked up. Gets in the car and starts it up. Drives home in it accident free. Memory or visual sites or sounds or just lucky? Depends on the driver. Some can relate, others not. Same with pigeons. How to find them? Send them.

No reason can be accepted I suggest Hal when a piss head jumps in a car & drives etc. Piss heads or mobile type junkies, these days I'm just have no place behind a wheel as such, no matter what excuse they may waffle when caught.

I havnt missed the point misty, the purpose of the video was a study of the internal compass , and how birds navigate using the earths magnetic field.......my point being, why not use the perfect bird for this type of study, which in my opinion would be a pigeon.

anything other, than a pigeon is a total waste of time and funds, what possible benefit would there be of studying a robin or finches navigation abilities, over a pigeon...?

David To a point I can understand your observations, however, you would not use a human being to see if a particular medicine or treatment worked, the scientists use animals etc; and exactly the same principle applies.

Regards.

Regarding those on line, what exactly is a Bot.

Regards.

they do use humans for testing medicines misty, clinical drug trials.....they pay people to take medication for a week or two, and monitor them to see the reaction, supposed to be decent money, but something I wouldn't do........