wanted spangle racing pigeons

Hi,all i am new to the site.I am looking for spangle racing pigeons to cross with my norman southwells.thank you john

hi john, welcome to the site......im sure some of our member will be able to help or advise you re the spangle breed........

welcome to the site mate

welcome to the site John dont think many have the spangles now i have the southwells but mine will be xsed with my arden based birds best of luck sean

blood red wrote:

Hi,all i am new to the site.I am looking for spangle racing pigeons to cross with my norman southwells.thank you john

Blood Red
You can get spangles from Abe Coetzee, 082 819 5020. I obtained a hen from him and her youngsters are performing very well. My dad used to race with them a few years ago and knew them well. They also cross very well with the Tourniers.

Regards

Willie

Thanks willem.I will phone him.

Welcome to the site hope you have luck obtaining the birds you need

welcome 2 the site

John

Abe Coetzee is in South Africa. The Spangles he have was imported many years ago by Nico Rabe and they did very well in headwind conditions. The henns is better performers than the cocks. We used the cocks for breeding mostly. Abe Coetzee bought his Spangles from Nico.
We are crossing them with the Tournier's and Delbar's.

Abe's no in South Africa is +2782 819 5020

Regards

Willie

good morning all its a typical morning up here chucking it down with rain oh happy days its friday sean

Iv'e been waiting hoping someone would put some thing up on there History ;i have records of some of our early importations to this Country ;being very lucky that my pop had pigeons & his family ; some of our records go well back & i'm offen asked out here on some of Aussie old Breeds Etc ?;The Spangles were founded in the late 1890s by Oliver Dix of Bristol ;he is someone you should all be proud of over there ;in the early 1900s JW Logan purchased the first 735 mile bird from him for 20 pounds ;a bit latter JW Toft purchased the sire of his Record cocks for 25 Pounds also Capt Jackson flew the breed;so you can see 3 of the UK most repected flyers at the time & strain makers were using his blood ;Oliver Dix Exported pigeons to all the Commonwealth countrys & i know they are in our old long distance birds make up out here ;some of the first Blood to fly 600 miles: it was interesting to see some of the Blood was sent back from South Africa ;Mr Dix sent it over there before the first WW & it held long Distance Records there has well : It was also interesting to read that the Hens flew the Distance better & loved the hard days ;yes very Tipical of the blood :I believe the foundation of his birds came from Belguim ;but i still looking for that info some where here ? cheers

Nice one for that Killer, I didnt know too much about them tbh only the distance bit.
But as for the origin etc had no idea.
One thing about you guys, like myself meticulous record keeping.
Well done mate

John

Herewith an article about spangles and there development. I am translating it into English. Not sure when this article was written.

Rover Spangles

The spangles is a very old strain and was developed by Oliver Dix. How spangles was developed is very hard to determine for there was never much written on the spangles. The 'Wegges' though played a big roll in there development.

Oliver Dix started developing his strain in 1895 to 1944 after which the well known Bert Bryant from England and his brother took over the Sapngles from him. Bert Bryant still breeds Spangles pure and they still performs excellent over the longer distances.

Fan's would properly want to know where the name Spangle comes from for usually the strain is connected to the owner's name.

The Spangle's original color was blue check, dark check and mosaic. Mosaiek work usually shine and glitter and another word for it is spangle. The Spangles were always glittering on race days, therefore the name Spangle.

Now what the Cape (RSA) Spangle concern. As far as can be established, Fred Walker imported the Spangles from Oliver Dix who passed them on to late Jimmy Lovett. Mr Jagger from Belville, known as "Oubaas Jagger", on his turn took over the Spangles from Lovett. To these Spangles Mr. Jagger crossed in a Bovian to these Spangles which was a grizzle. With line and inbreeding over the last 30 years the basis color of mosaic changed to grizzle. Should you study a grizzle bird carefully it will be noted that sometimes it looks like mosaic work.

Nico Rabe over the last 30 years line and inbred the Spangles and made name for himself in the Cape with these birds. The Spangles earned themselves a honory place in his breeding station.

How does the Spangles perform in the RSA (Summery)

This is one of the oldest families that was imported to the RSA. From the start they showed what they were made of.

Since 1925 the Spangles won races over any distance, in any weather and in any place in the RSA and up to date they do not stand back for any of the newly imported strain's

The spangles cross well with the Putterie and proof there of proven in Durban where they reached velocities up to 2000 mpm easily.When we look at the history of the Putterie and the adoption ability of the Putterie, the Spangles do not stand back at all. The two strain's compliment each other.

End.

My late father flew his first pigeon race in 1953 as a school boy. He flew in the Cape province and for those of you that know the Cape, it is hard racing, with lots of mountain ranges and there rainy season compared with fog. Spangles was one of the strains he loved and his favorite cross was the Spangle with Delbar.

When we started racing again three years ago we obtained both these strains and with success. This year I will be testing a few spangle crosses to determine the best combination. I have only one Spangle hen and are most probably going to obtain more of this family for they are busy proving themselves.

The cocks are usually not the better flyers but you do get the exception to the rule, and if a cock races well, he race very well. What I had good success with up to date is a Spangle Tournier cross.

If anyone out there have more info on the Spangles let's year from you.

Willie

Thanks mate ;good to confirm what iv'e already said ? i have an idea they are Hansenne base ;& that is why they have crossed well with the Tournier ;has they too are Hansenne Base ; ? cheers

Cats out of the bag now killer.

the spangles are well known in bristol they are legendary here

Oliver Dix lived at Pensford near Bristol ;It was interesting about the Mosaics has T W Tofts birds came out here ;he also got birds from him through the Record Cocks ;anyway a Famous Fancier out here who got out in 1953 ;his name was Eddie Crane ;produced the Mosaics which are still famous at the Distance out here to this day ? We owe such a lot to the old guys ; cheers

We are on the right track concerning the Spangles. Might enlarge my family of spangles, could be worth the while.

Is there anybody else out there that could possibly add to our input on there history.

Willem wrote:

We are on the right track concerning the Spangles. Might enlarge my family of spangles, could be worth the while.

Is there anybody else out there that could possibly add to our input on there history.

Hi willem, oliver dix`s spangles were just a heinz 57 breed made up of various "so called" strains mr dix worked with and crossed the best,if i find time i shall get some of our old paperwork out and post some imformation and pics from early 1900`s on mr dix and this mongrel bred.

well done mate, that would be interesting.

You may well be right has he had a Stud of well over 500 birds at one time ; but he listed them in the breeds he had ;birds listed in the 30s where - Spangles ;Logans ;Osmans ;Barkers ;Hansennes ;Gits ;Putmans ;Bonamis :& Bricous price from 10 shillings to 10 pound ;no different to what goes on to this very day ;all i can say is the Spangles that came out here were outstanding at the Distance ? cheers

killer wrote:

You may well be right has he had a Stud of well over 500 birds at one time ; but he listed them in the breeds he had ;birds listed in the 30s where - Spangles ;Logans ;Osmans ;Barkers ;Hansennes ;Gits ;Putmans ;Bonamis :& Bricous price from 10 shillings to 10 pound ;no different to what goes on to this very day ;all i can say is the Spangles that came out here were outstanding at the Distance ? cheers

Correct young sir,and the spangles are still a major force in the same area they were formed begining 1898 -now 2013,especially at the 700mile plus racepoints,barcelona,and if the bbc get their act together and bring back the true national Palomas.

you are half right Grizzle cock ;& young wasn't it ?lol

all pigeons are mongrels ....nothing new their lol

killer wrote:

you are half right Grizzle cock ;& young wasn't it ?lol

lol Correct yet again,Mr Killer,Mike young had the finest results over 30 years in the major Internationals before he went to that big pigeon loft in the sky,he still has no equal here,i think he sent to something like130 internationals around the 700 mile mark and only failed to clock 3 times,for sheer consistancy,flying way way off the drag and fighting every inch of the way into west winds,i can never see anyone even coming close to this superhuman effort.
I think his Daughter still has a loft and birds,but i do not think she flys because i never see her in the results,but other spangle flyers who had them from jack brain here and bert bryant further south have and still do the buisness at the 700mile end.
We ourselves,have Spangles direct from Palomas and Barcelona Winning Specilists,brought in alongside our "moonraker"Southwells,,,these were supposed to strenghthen our barcelona teams,for allthough we have scored from Barcelona in the section few years on the bounce,we know this is not good enough and have stopped racing until we can find suitable premises to compete and beat the very best in following years,but what a shame to see these well bred and tried birds sitting on a perch doing nothing ,cant race cant breed,what a shame.