M$D EVANS VANDENBEELE

On my quest for brilliant pigeons, and not being afraid of old pigeons I just bought an m&d evans vandenbele cock 11 years old but from them and top pedigree.
Has anyone on here bought from them? and what do you think of these pigeons and the breed as Im usually a jansen man, but Im never afraid of crossing a good bird in.

you only have to look what there pigeons have and still are doing in the last 2 weeks national results

section k old hens yesterday 1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 9

well up in midlands national last week

mark brown won 1st national with a pigeon bred off m and d evans stock that he bought..........

WOW Thanks lads didn't know they were that good, looks like I might have bought a good bird, hope it breeds ok its 2002, but they said it was fully fertile this season and it wasn't kept 11 years if it wasn't a good 1..

hope it breeds you some winners martyn........

a friend of mine who flys well brought them in 2 years ago and there whupping the arse off is soonjets he was second open in midland national few weeks ago


heres there web site martin

http://myrtlelofts.com/

Thanks david, it has a cracking eye the type I like and its already bred winners for them, Its having my best racer from this season.

You won't go wro g Martyn as they say they have had it 11 years says it all make

Does it have Shadow or Jester in the breeding ?

Hope all goes well mate

I have a pair and also some yb's of them after what I was told yesterday I will be crossing all of them next year with vanreets one other tip 2 weeks before pairing up give him a Vitamin C capsule from Holland& barrett E-100 I.U get the £5 bottle as with all capsules dip them in a oil first will let you know how mine do at end of season not looking for any winners as ybs just as long as they do the longest race george

should have said give the Vit. C daily until the 2nd egg is laid

Rudderfett wrote:

On my quest for brilliant pigeons, and not being afraid of old pigeons I just bought an m&d evans vandenbele cock 11 years old but from them and top pedigree.
Has anyone on here bought from them? and what do you think of these pigeons and the breed as Im usually a jansen man, but Im never afraid of crossing a good bird in.

Hi Martin, you know your Eyesign and if you like the Eye then I am sure that the bird will do the business for you. As you will know that the age of the Cock does not matter in breeding,  as his cells and genetics do not break down like in an old hen. (old hens can produce "Hag ridden" offspring) but even then those offspring can breed well if not fly well.
No doubt M and D Evans have the goods and they would not keep a bird for 11 years if it was no use. Get it mated to as many different younger hens as you can, the bull system may be the correct move, while he is still fertile

spencerline wrote:

Rudderfett wrote:

On my quest for brilliant pigeons, and not being afraid of old pigeons I just bought an m&d evans vandenbele cock 11 years old but from them and top pedigree.
Has anyone on here bought from them? and what do you think of these pigeons and the breed as Im usually a jansen man, but Im never afraid of crossing a good bird in.

Hi Martin, you know your Eyesign and if you like the Eye then I am sure that the bird will do the business for you. As you will know that the age of the Cock does not matter in breeding,  as his cells and genetics do not break down like in an old hen. (old hens can produce "Hag ridden" offspring) but even then those offspring can breed well if not fly well.
No doubt M and D Evans have the goods and they would not keep a bird for 11 years if it was no use. Get it mated to as many different younger hens as you can, the bull system may be the correct move, while he is still fertile

I would agree with you Kev but for me if Martyn was able to have a section for this cock and a few hens only as soon as the weather changes for the better in the new year then things will be fine
Think it would be best with young hens only, but having the cock in a section on his own will prevent the younger cocks from knocking of the hen when he tries to tread.

But " I KNOW NOTHING"

Thanks for the info lads, I haven't thought about a few different hens very good idea. Im not sure about how to do that but will give it a go, I have some magic stuff from America which is a vitamin E and is good for older birds.

having just looked at the capsules you are right I should have said Vit E not c still E-100.I.U from Holland &barratt

these birds been on the go a  good few years now  they seem to fly in some areas but not others  i only know of one guy in the UNC  doing well with them  others that have had them have binned them  m&d  know how to market them  they usually slip them into areas where  they cant fail like hard on the coast   to good fanciers   odd ones have flown well  up in my area but not consistantly  horses for corses i suppose   i do have 3 pair  of them  these are down from syndicate lofts but  never bred off them early enough to race as they are bloody stone mad   but saying that if peds won races they would win all before them 
best of luck with your purchase Martin i hope it does well for you   sean

I believe in some pigeons flying well to a certain area, bushearts seem to be good down here and janssens. However I am an eye sign man and have opened many a box of a bird I have just bought only to discover with my glass they will never breed anything, I keep them a year and try something from them but always get rid. However the eye on this 1 doesn't disappoint and I think it will be of use to me, but you never really know till you try.

sean you may well be right speaking with someone the weekend who had them done very little then cross with vanreets his words they took off and started winning for him that's what i'm going to do cross with the vanreets I was gifted

Rudderfett wrote:

I believe in some pigeons flying well to a certain area, bushearts seem to be good down here and janssens. However I am an eye sign man and have opened many a box of a bird I have just bought only to discover with my glass they will never breed anything, I keep them a year and try something from them but always get rid. However the eye on this 1 doesn't disappoint and I think it will be of use to me, but you never really know till you try.

i aint an eyesign man Martin i have a simple rule they need 2 to race  i have known a few guys who where eye sign  men but thats all they where  the basket what tells whats good or bad theres only 2 types of pigeons the ones that score and the ones that breed them  the rest eat corn and crap and we all got plenty of that kind   best of luck to you all roads lead to Rome  sean

rainbow wrote:

sean you may well be right speaking with someone the weekend who had them done very little then cross with vanreets  his words they took  off and   started winning for him that's what i'm going to do   cross with the vanreets I was gifted

best of luck George  hope they work for you  sean

had one sean which got lost in the 2nd OLR race over 500 birds went missing it made it's way home was put in the recover loft for 2 weeks back in training yesterday 35mls hope should have 35 mls to-day again 35mls on Thursday and then into the final on sunday if I get him home I will be looking how many birds are behind him not how many in front as it is a fair old jump to 245mls on the NR george

rainbow wrote:

had one  sean  which got lost in the 2nd OLR race   over 500 birds went missing it made it's way home was put in the recover loft for 2 weeks  back in training yesterday 35mls hope should have 35 mls to-day again  35mls   on Thursday  and then into the final on sunday  if I get him home I will be looking how many birds are behind him not how many in front as it is a fair old jump to 245mls on the NR  george  

its a big jump for a y/b on any route   but fit healthy  birds will jump no prob s  best of luck sean

seanl wrote:

Rudderfett wrote:

I believe in some pigeons flying well to a certain area, bushearts seem to be good down here and janssens. However I am an eye sign man and have opened many a box of a bird I have just bought only to discover with my glass they will never breed anything, I keep them a year and try something from them but always get rid. However the eye on this 1 doesn't disappoint and I think it will be of use to me, but you never really know till you try.

i aint an eyesign man Martin i have a simple rule they need 2 to race  i have known a few guys who where eye sign  men but thats all they where  the basket what tells whats good or bad theres only 2 types of pigeons the ones that score and the ones that breed them  the rest eat corn and crap and we all got plenty of that kind   best of luck to you all roads lead to Rome  sean

The basket only shows which ones are the best racers, the best breeders are not always the best racers, unless you are talking 500 miles plus races when it seems to follow suit.
I have known a few guys who are Eyesign men and they have dominated the huge majority of non Eyesign men but racing and beeding birds is 2 seperate things sometimes.

Each to their own methods but I know that there is great merit in using Eyesign in the stock loft at least.
Especially when bringing in new stock from a loft that has Champions at stud or a loft actually racing the birds and winning with them. You never find a successful breeding loft full of birds with poor eyesign. But nearly any bird can win a short or Middle distance race if it is fit and healthy and conditions suited it that day.

spencerline wrote:

seanl wrote:

Rudderfett wrote:

I believe in some pigeons flying well to a certain area, bushearts seem to be good down here and janssens. However I am an eye sign man and have opened many a box of a bird I have just bought only to discover with my glass they will never breed anything, I keep them a year and try something from them but always get rid. However the eye on this 1 doesn't disappoint and I think it will be of use to me, but you never really know till you try.

i aint an eyesign man Martin i have a simple rule they need 2 to race  i have known a few guys who where eye sign  men but thats all they where  the basket what tells whats good or bad theres only 2 types of pigeons the ones that score and the ones that breed them  the rest eat corn and crap and we all got plenty of that kind   best of luck to you all roads lead to Rome  sean

The basket only shows which ones are the best racers, the best breeders are not always the best racers, unless you are talking 500 miles plus races when it seems to follow suit.
I have known a few guys who are Eyesign men and they have dominated the huge majority of non Eyesign men but racing and beeding birds is 2 seperate things sometimes.

Each to their own methods but I know that there is great merit in using Eyesign in the stock loft at least.
Especially when bringing in new stock from a loft that has Champions at stud or a loft actually racing the birds and winning with them. You never find a successful breeding loft full of birds with poor eyesign.

each to their own  i seen plenty who where said to be great eye sign men but come clock opening always behind me  but there again many have said i have some of the finest stock birds  as they are very close to the champs  and breed true to type winners  basket  is the best ped  bonnie eyes dont win races have seen plenty lofts with great eyes  but you can breed for eyes   i want racers   sean

seanl wrote:

spencerline wrote:

seanl wrote:

Rudderfett wrote:

I believe in some pigeons flying well to a certain area, bushearts seem to be good down here and janssens. However I am an eye sign man and have opened many a box of a bird I have just bought only to discover with my glass they will never breed anything, I keep them a year and try something from them but always get rid. However the eye on this 1 doesn't disappoint and I think it will be of use to me, but you never really know till you try.

i aint an eyesign man Martin i have a simple rule they need 2 to race  i have known a few guys who where eye sign  men but thats all they where  the basket what tells whats good or bad theres only 2 types of pigeons the ones that score and the ones that breed them  the rest eat corn and crap and we all got plenty of that kind   best of luck to you all roads lead to Rome  sean

The basket only shows which ones are the best racers, the best breeders are not always the best racers, unless you are talking 500 miles plus races when it seems to follow suit.
I have known a few guys who are Eyesign men and they have dominated the huge majority of non Eyesign men but racing and beeding birds is 2 seperate things sometimes.

Each to their own methods but I know that there is great merit in using Eyesign in the stock loft at least.
Especially when bringing in new stock from a loft that has Champions at stud or a loft actually racing the birds and winning with them. You never find a successful breeding loft full of birds with poor eyesign.

each to their own  i seen plenty who where said to be great eye sign men but come clock opening always behind me  but there again many have said i have some of the finest stock birds  as they are very close to the champs  and breed true to type winners  basket  is the best ped  bonnie eyes dont win races have seen plenty lofts with great eyes  but you can breed for eyes   i want racers   sean

I have never clocked a bird with an average eye from 600 miles plus and although we race our birds we find that the best breeders have the best Eyesign.
The thing is the birds with the best Eyesign are brothers and Sisters of the birds that race well and in any case most of the birds we have that race well have decent Eyesign because the average birds are lost due to the racecard here.
We have some great stock too and 2 of the best breeders I bought 1 was from an eyesign picture online. The Other I actually handled and looked at it through an eyeglass. Both have been prolific in their short breeding careers so far and Neither knows what the inside of a basket looks like.