What to do when birds have been away for a long time

Leading on from Ray's post called "Unbelievable" and my little added comment:-

What advice would members give regarding birds that have spent nights out, got lost or have been away from the loft for a time. As in Ray and my cases?

What food to give immediately when they arrive home and for how long?

Any meds?

Any treatments? Etc etc?

Cheers everyone.

Phil (blueskylofts)

blueskylofts wrote:

Leading on from Ray's post called "Unbelievable" and my little added comment:-

What advice would members give regarding birds that have spent nights out, got lost or have been away from the loft for a time.  As in Ray and my cases?

What food to give immediately when they arrive home and for how long?

Any meds?

Any treatments?  Etc etc?

Cheers everyone.

Phil (blueskylofts)

Meds forget it, treatments forget it etc here Phil. Warmth, rest & normal feed in abundance for them to choose as required on their own in some little corner with water & grit. I've found if pigeons have the right life
style/pedigree they will soon pick up & if they don't, it's heaven time one could say .

let the bird settle for a few days ...I use ropa b and would give that double dose for 5 days its a prebiotic but no meds would be given it don't sound like its been in another loft ,each case of a returning bird would be reviewed as to its condition and time away I don't think a cocci and canker treatment does much harm in these cases atb

if its gone wrong twice bin it, as it will do it again, and again

oldstrain wrote:

let the bird settle for a few days ...I use ropa b and would give that double dose for 5 days its a prebiotic but no meds would be given it don't sound like its been in another loft ,each case of a returning bird would be reviewed as to its condition and time away I don't think a cocci and canker treatment does much harm in these cases atb

Thanks for the advice - I have ordered some Ropa B. I spoke to Graham this morning and he is going to rush me some.

Cheers
Phil

yes phil, they are usually pretty good delivery wise......ive ordered in the morning and paid over the phone, and its been delivered the next day.

you will get a syringe with it, which fits into a hole at the top of the bottle, the dose is 1.5 ml per litre for normal routine treatment, but like Darren says it may be wise to double dose them at 3ml per litre for a few days or so.

If the bird had lost a lot of weight I will give it dioralite for a couple of days to bring its body round quickly.
I also use it after a hard or long race.

Boosey wrote:

If the bird had lost a lot of weight I will give it dioralite for a couple of days to bring its body round quickly.
I also use it after a hard or long race.

good stuff ...belgasol is too

Take the bird out the loft place in a basket or in a section on its own, give it a light feed for a few days and a honey and water solution which you can us a shringe to administrate it into the pigeon

After a few days the pigeon should start to pick up

edgie wrote:

if its gone wrong twice bin it, as it will do it again, and again

Would also agree

Thank you to everyone for the advice given.

The bird is picking up a bit now in its'self and looking as bit more perky.

Phil

blueskylofts wrote:

oldstrain wrote:

let the bird settle for a few days ...I use ropa b and would give that double dose for 5 days its a prebiotic but no meds would be given it don't sound like its been in another loft ,each case of a returning bird would be reviewed as to its condition and time away I don't think a cocci and canker treatment does much harm in these cases atb

Thanks for the advice - I have ordered some Ropa B.  I spoke to Graham this morning and he is going to rush me some.

Cheers
Phil

May I put foreward Phil I had a seniors moment above     with my wisdom ??? etc as there is something I use 24/7/52 that I just plainly forgot about sadly, as I just regard it as normal both for myself & my birds. I'm a Colloidal silver tragic "25 years" & every one here can see what it's done to me .

Knackered wrote:

blueskylofts wrote:

oldstrain wrote:

let the bird settle for a few days ...I use ropa b and would give that double dose for 5 days its a prebiotic but no meds would be given it don't sound like its been in another loft ,each case of a returning bird would be reviewed as to its condition and time away I don't think a cocci and canker treatment does much harm in these cases atb

Thanks for the advice - I have ordered some Ropa B.  I spoke to Graham this morning and he is going to rush me some.

Cheers
Phil

May I put foreward Phil I had a seniors moment above     with my wisdom ??? etc as there is something I use 24/7/52 that I just plainly forgot about sadly, as I just regard it as normal both for myself & my birds. I'm a Colloidal silver tragic "25 years" & every one here can see what it's done to me .

Hi there

I don't mean to be rude but I had absolutely no idea what you were talking about when you mentioned colloidal silver!

However, I have just Googled it and it sounds deadly to me. Why do you use it? Do you have any of the following ailments?
'Colloidal silver is used to treat infections due to yeast; bacteria (tuberculosis, Lyme disease, bubonic plague, pneumonia, leprosy, gonorrhea, syphilis, scarlet fever, stomach ulcers, cholera); parasites (ringworm, malaria); and viruses (HIV/AIDS, pneumonia, herpes, shingles, warts).'

Apparently according to WebMD it is a very dangerous substance to use especially long term.

Furthermore, I have absolutely no idea why you mentioned this when answering a posting I put up regarding how I can help my young bird/s if they have spent a few nights out.

In my experiences before I restarted this year, I have found it is very common for young birds to spend a few nights out - ask any fancier. So therefore I thought it was a legitimate question, as I wasn't sure what to do for this particular young bird that had obviously had a very traumatic experience.

Perhaps you can enlighten me.
Phil

It all depends on the bird.if it has done anything it will next a perch .if not then it's gone.we cannot afford ,only being honest here, to keep any more prisoners. I know it's my own fault with having a lot but it's what we have to do.but saying that if the birds been rubbish over a period of time say.the same applies. There's nobody softer than me for giving g birds a chance but there has to be a limit at the end of the day...

peel bros wrote:

It all depends on the bird.if it has done anything it will next a perch .if not then it's gone.we cannot afford ,only being honest here, to keep any more prisoners. I know it's my own fault with having a lot but it's what we have to do.but saying that if the birds been rubbish over a period of time say.the same applies. There's nobody softer than me for giving g birds a chance but there has to be a limit at the end of the day...

I agree 100% Ray - I am not the kind of person that keeps pigeons for fun only. To me the are 'Working animals' and as such, have to earn their place in my loft. But I was talking about young birds that have only been flying out a few times and as another member said - sometime a few night out can be the making of a bird!

I would rather have 15 good birds than 30 rubbish ones. As you say - corn is too expensive to waste.

Thanks for the input.
Phil

Ybs I always give chances to.if possible all my ybs that's left get raced as yearlings regardless. This only one or two missed out as I had no room.ybs are always learning

blueskylofts wrote:

Knackered wrote:

blueskylofts wrote:

oldstrain wrote:

let the bird settle for a few days ...I use ropa b and would give that double dose for 5 days its a prebiotic but no meds would be given it don't sound like its been in another loft ,each case of a returning bird would be reviewed as to its condition and time away I don't think a cocci and canker treatment does much harm in these cases atb

Thanks for the advice - I have ordered some Ropa B.  I spoke to Graham this morning and he is going to rush me some.

Cheers
Phil

May I put foreward Phil I had a seniors moment above     with my wisdom ??? etc as there is something I use 24/7/52 that I just plainly forgot about sadly, as I just regard it as normal both for myself & my birds. I'm a Colloidal silver tragic "25 years" & every one here can see what it's done to me .

Hi there

I don't mean to be rude but I had absolutely no idea what you were talking about when you mentioned colloidal silver!

However, I have just Googled it and it sounds deadly to me.  Why do you use it?  Do you have any of the following ailments?
'Colloidal silver is used to treat infections due to yeast; bacteria (tuberculosis, Lyme disease, bubonic plague, pneumonia, leprosy, gonorrhea, syphilis, scarlet fever, stomach ulcers, cholera); parasites (ringworm, malaria); and viruses (HIV/AIDS, pneumonia, herpes, shingles, warts).'

Apparently according to WebMD it is a very dangerous substance to use especially long term.

Furthermore, I have absolutely no idea why you mentioned this when answering a posting I put up regarding how I can help my young bird/s if they have spent a few nights out.

In my experiences before I restarted this year, I have found it is very common for young birds to spend a few nights out - ask any fancier.  So therefore I thought it was a legitimate question, as I wasn't sure what to do for this particular young bird that had obviously had a very traumatic experience.

Perhaps you can enlighten me.
Phil

One could say Phil I have all the above that's why I use it etc . Not one that tends to waffle on as such but I would suggest you do a bit more reading about Colloidal silver & it's benefits & as final note, I was using it long before Bilco started singing it's praise as an example on the internet for his birds.
Now !!! forget about the blue scenario if you become some what concerned, as I place that in the total rubbish bin .

Knackered wrote:

blueskylofts wrote:

oldstrain wrote:

let the bird settle for a few days ...I use ropa b and would give that double dose for 5 days its a prebiotic but no meds would be given it don't sound like its been in another loft ,each case of a returning bird would be reviewed as to its condition and time away I don't think a cocci and canker treatment does much harm in these cases atb

Thanks for the advice - I have ordered some Ropa B.  I spoke to Graham this morning and he is going to rush me some.

Cheers
Phil

May I put foreward Phil I had a seniors moment above     with my wisdom ??? etc as there is something I use 24/7/52 that I just plainly forgot about sadly, as I just regard it as normal both for myself & my birds. I'm a Colloidal silver tragic "25 years" & every one here can see what it's done to me .

do you make it yourself oz

oldstrain wrote:

Knackered wrote:

blueskylofts wrote:

oldstrain wrote:

let the bird settle for a few days ...I use ropa b and would give that double dose for 5 days its a prebiotic but no meds would be given it don't sound like its been in another loft ,each case of a returning bird would be reviewed as to its condition and time away I don't think a cocci and canker treatment does much harm in these cases atb

Thanks for the advice - I have ordered some Ropa B.  I spoke to Graham this morning and he is going to rush me some.

Cheers
Phil

May I put foreward Phil I had a seniors moment above     with my wisdom ??? etc as there is something I use 24/7/52 that I just plainly forgot about sadly, as I just regard it as normal both for myself & my birds. I'm a Colloidal silver tragic "25 years" & every one here can see what it's done to me .

do you make it yourself oz

At 35/40 dollars a bottle here O/S at the spin doctors etc what do you think   .

Also if pigeons have been away a long time or in a holdover I give them condis crystals in the water for a day to cleanse them.
I also have it in the drinkers on return from every race as a precaution.

Boosey wrote:

Also if pigeons have been away a long time or in a holdover I give them condis crystals in the water for a day to cleanse them.
I also have it in the drinkers on return from every race as a precaution.

Another big spender just how do you expect the spin doctors Boosey to turn a profit etc. Next you will be telling me your a Bi-Carb Soda fan .

I think going light tablets are basically bi-carb arnt they knackered...?

David wrote:

I think going light tablets are basically bi-carb arnt they knackered...?

You could be right David etc but no such thing down here as such. All I know is birds in general like drinking Bi carb soda, so that tells me they must know some thing & I place it the cheap, cheap tonic class & I have used it longer than I can remember with no complaints. It also was one of Levi's favourite tonics & I always regarded him as one of those types that knew absolutely nothing in relation to keeping pigeons with his little flock "20,000 odd"     .