Clean or deep litter?

This article from a top flier.
http://nebula.wsimg.com/2eb1252410bcd8d383be0a6e2cd39847?AccessKeyId=B535E782F86E3CD642BE&disposition=0&alloworigin=1

halcanada wrote:

This article from a top flier.
http://nebula.wsimg.com/2eb1252410bcd8d383be0a6e2cd39847?AccessKeyId=B535E782F86E3CD642BE&disposition=0&alloworigin=1

Rom Please do me a favour & stick this topic in your memory bank etc & then, just make sure you never forget it as such .  

Bacteria will be there weather you scrape out daily or your on deep litter, a loft is never that clean.
I'm for cleaning out race team and ybs but stock is deep litter out of lazynes

Fair enough if you have not got time....

fieldwalker wrote:

Bacteria will be there weather you scrape out daily or your on deep litter, a loft is never that clean.
I'm for cleaning out race team and ybs but stock is deep litter out of lazynes

Fair enough if you have not got time....

True FW Truth be told I was a slave to the scaper all my working life etc here & what made it worse for me, I went to work in the dark & then come home after dark as such for most of the racing season here, with all scaping/cleaning & feeding by light's in the darkness. 40 odd years of pain but then I got smart in my old age & went deep litter as such & thou my body now is absolutely  knackered completely I'm happy, happy happy now   & so are my birds .  

used horse bedding for the last few years, its nice when its new, but quickly gets dusty and horrible, even if you rake through every couple of days.........also never had so many health problems with the birds since ive used deep litter, now im back to scraping out ...........its better for the birds and for me.

Yeah Iv used cosy bed good at first but a pain when it comes to chucking out...my friend nearly chokes when i get him to clean that out.
Well he shouldnt ask if he can help lol

send him over to mine walker, ive still 2 sections with it in.........horrible stuff

Ha ha it takes him awhile to recover

my biggest problem is getting rid of it.......I usually put it in the black wheely bin but its pretty heavy and takes up quite a bit of room, tried burning it but it doesn't burn.

have found the deep litter gets a bit damp in our climate during the winter ,mind you my lofts are well ventilated but now wet as such ...so have used sand this year and much prefer it

first year scraping while paired up, used deep litter and ok with it, just prefer scraping daily

Not a fan of deep litter Rather clean them once a day Save flies Accumulating in the loft And any chances of diseases if you've got a poorly pigeon And it sh*t on the floor You can get your pigeon right But the disease is already on the floor still Until you clean it up But that's my point of view

yes true jet, always thought the same thing about droppings being hidden in deep litter.....any wet droppings are not as easily noticed, like on a scraped floor.

I like a clean floor and boxes always have nothing wrong with deep litter though just like the sound of a scraper going dave that's the reason your lofts take so long to complete your always cleaning out

markevans wrote:

I like a clean floor and boxes always have nothing wrong with deep litter though just like the sound of a scraper going dave that's the reason your lofts take so long to complete your always cleaning out

you might be right mark, by the time ive cleaned out, fed and watered ive no time time left to build the new loft

This may be of interest. One of my daughters just started work on a quail farm. About 2 miles from here. Anyway. Asked her a lot of questions, as usual. Eggs are laid there, chicks moved into the large barn. They grow there and when big enough are taken across the yard to the processing plant. They are blessed by a rabbi, some are blessed by a Muslim Holy man etc etc,. They are for meat and whatever the carcasses are destined to have to have these rituals. So the growth period. They have constant food and water. Are in a controlled environment. They spend their growing phase on deep litter. Straw in this case. seldom cleaned out but not sure of that. My daughter asked the manager "why straw?" His reply was "Used to have clean floors. Switched to straw 5 years ago. Mortality has dropped down to 6%. Used to be 30% plus."

But how far do they race lol prob full of meds and quick grow feed and dead in 6 weeks on the plate the next...

fieldwalker wrote:

But how far do they race lol prob full of meds and quick grow feed and dead in 6 weeks on the plate the next...

Understand your point of view FW . Levi etc, kept 20,000 odd pigeons on deep litter as such in his time & one of his main medications for decease was  
Bi-carbonate of soda, every week.

scraped floor for me.

Interesting read that hal wouldn't have thought it would have made that much difference what they were bedded down on

halcanada wrote:

This may be of interest. One of my daughters just started work on a quail farm. About 2 miles from  here. Anyway. Asked her a lot of questions, as usual. Eggs are laid there, chicks moved into the large barn. They grow there and when big enough are taken across the yard to the processing plant. They are blessed by a rabbi, some are blessed by a Muslim Holy man etc etc,. They are for meat and whatever the carcasses are destined to have to have these rituals. So the growth period. They have constant food and water. Are in a controlled environment. They spend their growing phase on deep litter. Straw in this case. seldom cleaned out but not sure of that. My daughter asked the manager "why straw?" His reply was "Used to have clean floors. Switched to straw 5 years ago. Mortality has dropped down to 6%. Used to be 30% plus."

all I`d say to that hal is, ritual slaughter should be banned , one thing I hate is animal cruelty..........

Guess straw is the preferred method. Not so dusty, I have to assume.
David. Way back when worked in a slaughter house in the UK. Some cattle were blessed by Rabbis and throat slit by them as per ritual. They took a while to die and bleed out. The regular cattle and animals were first shot between the eyes with a stun gun. Like a pistol, .22 cartridge. Shot out a steel retractable bolt. Then throat cut. Much more humane. Also worked on a line here in Canada. Turkeys, chickens whatever came through. Hanging upside down on a moving line. I cut their throats. 1 every few seconds. I bought chickens today and ducks. When I eat them I do not think about how they were killed. Just how they taste.

yep, animals suffer, just to satisfy barbaric religious cults....

David wrote:

yep, animals suffer, just to satisfy barbaric religious cults....

I agree totally. Just had a Halal nutter type here, mow down 20 odd people in his car yesterday etc 2nd one Screaming muslim rant's as he did it & we are to believe it's all OK Allah, has given his approval. The scum bag type I talk about, we allowed into our country as a refugee 10 years ago & this is how he repays us all for all our generosity. Now while I'm in the rant mood we have a multitude of Sudenese types running rampant here in the streets & they tell us it's their right, as they are all bored with our way of living as such. Genuine refugees I would be happy to have them living besides me here & would welcome them if they were prepared to play by our rules/lifestyle. The scum bag types, I would send on a fast boat to North Korea & then hope Trump lives up to what he said he will do, with that nutter there .   .

Yeah its been on the news what happend in oz.
It will get worse give it a few more years and it will be like the uk...
A human dumping ground .