UPDATE 22/09/2021

UPDATE 22/09/2021
September 22nd, 2021
Good Evening

Again the birds did very well today in training.

Tomorrow we going again weather permitting for our very last trainer of 2021 again around the same time same place.

Friday they will have an open loft with baths down and love of home time.

Saturday they will stay in and if the weather forecast stays as it is then the marking team will start marking around 16:30 supervised by the RPRA CEO Ian Evans.

The birds should be on there way around 18:30 to Alnwick.

I will confirm were definitely on Friday 1pm.

Will update tomorrow evening.

Jeremy..

David wrote:

UPDATE 22/09/2021
September 22nd, 2021
Good Evening

Again the birds did very well today in training.

Tomorrow we going again weather permitting for our very last trainer of 2021 again around the same time same place.

Friday they will have an open loft with baths down and love of home time.

Saturday they will stay in and if the weather forecast stays as it is then the marking team will start marking around 16:30 supervised by the RPRA CEO Ian Evans.

The birds should be on there way around 18:30 to Alnwick.

I will confirm were definitely on Friday 1pm.

Will update tomorrow evening.

Jeremy..

Love of home I must be as thick as a brick here I'm roughly a thousand birds gone by the way there & he is talking about love of home type of thing .
*****

Always used the love of home as the best incentive of all.

How any pigeon could be said to love the way in which the OL pigeons are treated I feel is pie in the sky.

Food will be the only incentive I can think of under those circumstances.

Well known in nature, like the lemmings, when over crouwded find pastures anew or reduce numbers one way or another.

The bottom line is OL racing is unatural in the extreem.

So you get unatural results.

Regards.

yes you just wonder if they have had some fly aways on top of health issues,one would think so eh

oldstrain wrote:

yes you just wonder if they have had some fly aways on top of health issues,one would think so eh

Fly aways not from my perspective here I'm   O/S Watched enough movie shows there now over the years to get the impression they are reluctant to fly as normal pigeons do when out flying around the loft as such. A brave man could ask Jeremy, maybe when was the last time he had his whole flock there, like dots in the sky & they all completely disappeared for an hour or so out of sight for the sheer enjoyment factor.

never thought of it like that knackered, i bet the answer would be never ...i suspect they would be like ferals, some sat about while others fly round for a short while in small bunches .....just imagine 1,500 pigeons flying around the loft in one gtoup eh

although ray peels 1.500 young birds do ......

Perch, defended is probably the only incentive needed.

After the 'Love of Home and system, contendeness, the only motivation is already there. they fly to perch or box . Full stop. Their race day's only incentice.
Put a starling, a fantail in their nest box if you wan. makes no difference, the bird will be just as happy to have got there!

Yes some will argue that a little extra in the Box/ on rerch will add a little more motivation.
I say when the cup is brim ful, then it can't hold any more. And it is alrady been part and partial during its stay at the 'Hotel' you provide for it from birth.
You, nor any one. will add a jot of motivation if it isn't in the mood to rush home ... will be lacking 'Race fitnes'! 6 or 7 weeks tops. Rest of the season it with be 85% to 95%! Unlikely to win, or even place... unles a smash or Blow home where a paper bag could win.

some fly the celibacy system to good effect ,first and foremost is the perch and grub eh a safe place ,especially as ybs ...i allways left my ybs together putting bits of timber in corners with with a bowl worked well when it came to the later ybs races i had big box perches to which would hold a clay bowl

I left old and young birds together all the time, they decided on superiority in the loft, all new their place and were a happy contented family.

Only thing I feel that was eccential, always at least 20 spare perches.


Regards.

yes always like to have plenty space ,essential imo

David wrote:

never thought of it like that knackered, i bet the answer would be never ...i suspect they would be like ferals, some sat about while others fly round for a short while in small bunches .....just imagine 1,500 pigeons flying around the loft in one gtoup eh

although ray peels 1.500 young birds do ......

I know that David those Peel type pigeons etc of our Ray here went over my loft here last week would you believe     at a 100 mph type of thing       .

Well pigeons are gregarious and like company. Down town, under a brigde etc. you never them putting space between them.
likewise the loft. I had 16 pairs in a 6x4 compartment.

Best in a circle watching each other I believe.
Have two shelfs - or more facing each other. Just a 4 inch divider between where the nest. A half house brick for one to stand on whilst watching the mate sitting.
Best motivation to home for a contended loft fit birds.

lLke I have said a few time. A fancier in Derby had nest boxes on poles in a circle facing each other. When one took off, they all did. When one landed they all did. Up and down, short flights often Fit motivated birds. He had to be beat to win a race.

Daz wrote:

Well pigeons are gregarious and like company. Down town, under a brigde etc. you never them putting space between them.
likewise the loft. I had 16 pairs in a 6x4 compartment.

Best in a circle watching each other I believe.
Have  two shelfs - or more facing each other. Just a 4 inch divider between where the nest. A half house brick for one to stand on whilst watching the mate sitting.
Best motivation to home for a contended loft fit birds.

lLke I have said a few time. A fancier in Derby had nest boxes on poles in a circle facing each other. When one took off, they all did. When one landed they all did. Up and down, short flights often Fit motivated birds. He had to be beat to win a race.

Talk those type numbers Daz in a 6x4     & the expert types would suggest you know nothing but it's actually them that know absolutely nothing I suspect/suggest .

In Canada, the goverment rulling is a pigeon in space of lenght, hieght and width.

a pigeon in PER foot permitted.

Daz wrote:

In Canada, the goverment rulling is a pigeon in space of lenght, hieght and width.

a pigeon in PER foot permitted.

Recommended here 10 cubic foot per pigeon.

Regards.

i always liked to measure the loft width and length and multiply and divide by 3 to get the number for the said space,ie...6x4 = 24 so 8 birds in that space for me ,its what you feel comfortable with i guess and of course ventilation plays a big part

MISTY wrote:

Daz wrote:

In Canada, the goverment rulling is a pigeon in space of lenght, hieght and width.

a pigeon in PER foot permitted.

Recommended here 10 cubic foot per pigeon.

Regards.

Only requirement here Misty is you keep your birds healthy etc & if you can do it by having 50 pigeons in a 6x4 you will have no problems as such, what so ever.

I have always put the emphasis on having both healthy and HAPPY pigeons Knackered, the former without the latter, I feel makes the former of little consequence, as with the latter.

Regards.

MISTY wrote:

I have always put the emphasis on having both healthy and HAPPY pigeons Knackered, the former without the latter, I feel makes the former of little consequence, as with the latter.

Regards.

Happy you say. Know a loft Misty which has plenty of room to spare but the few birds in it now are more Knackered       I'm   than Happy I suspect somehow, sadly. & take care.

HAPPY AND CONTENT Knackered, irrespective of loft size.

PIGS IN ????.etc.


Regards.

i think this is why theres so many losses in a one loft as they are crammed in its no good for the health factor long term surely

Would love to house the racing pigeons in a tree ... if able to clock in Never mind the size, as long as it is well ventilated.

oldstrain wrote:

i think this is why theres so many losses in a one loft as they are crammed in its no good for the health factor long term surely

I know one can talk      about square/cubic feet per pigeon type of thing in a typical average type loft. For the most part thou I'm for myself here from what I have seen in certain lofts & also experienced, most of it in the end is utter & total rubbish on average sadly from my perspective. Don't actually know what the actual calculation would be in our O/L/R as a typical example, but I would suggest it's best maybe if one looks elsewhere if looking for excuses, why things keep going belly up in a major way unfortunately on a regular type basis with these type of races. Now     not wishing to be harsh here as such. But     Levi kept 20,000 odd pigeons in conditions which would not pass the typical pub test     by today's standards & I could take you all to a blokes loft & he will have 280 odd pigeons in it there on a good day & it's 20ft x 7ft type of thing & it doesn't worry him the least     as many a time he has had a real good       as he tell's every one who has certain concerns on the issue when they first see what he is up to there, to best worry about other issues in a pigeon sense in their own lofts. End of the day       one little secret he has     which I will devulge here       is the simple brick trick     on the floor, if one wishes to just build up the love of home scenario in a loft & space there is rather scarce    

I always aimed at having the inside loft as near to the outside conditions as possible.

Complete open front from top to bottom, protected by a corridor from rain etc;

Go against nature over a long period and that concerned will adapt to new conditions but be incapable of dealing with the the original.

That is what has happened to our pigeons, in particular health wise.


Regards.

i dont think its that cut and dry , climate and ventilation will play its part to the health of the birds in any said space ...for example lofts in the uk are generally quite closed in because of damp conditions , we are led by our own experiences i guess...never did like a full brimmed loft i find the birds can be quite wild ,well thats what i found when going into such a loft ...end of the day no 2 lofts are the same i guess and what would be ok in one may well not work out in another eh atb