RPRA ......?

can anyone tell me what we actually need the rpra for, what do we pay them to do that we couldnt do our selves ...?

they seem to cost a lot of money, and seem to do very little or do nothing that couldnt be done by fewer people .

do you mean we only have regions David

David wrote:

can anyone tell me what we actually need the rpra for, what do we pay them to do that we couldnt do our selves ...?

they seem to cost a lot of money, and seem to do very little or do nothing that couldnt be done by fewer people .

I gave the answer to this question in the 80s when grumbles were on about the cost of membership.

The cost to a fancier, RPRA Subs, to safeguard the ownership of his/her pigeons and provide a safeguard regarding competition with rules that can be enforced is a pittance, tis the way some of the money is spent that could be better employed.

Anything else would be farcical and open to abuse with no redress possible.

Tried for over 60 years to have better rules to improve the sport and if the majority had taken notice the Clique would have been replaced with forward looking fanciers not those only interest in holding on to power and staying in the stone age.

Not the RPRA that is wrong but those running it.

Regards.

David wrote:

can anyone tell me what we actually need the rpra for, what do we pay them to do that we couldnt do our selves ...?

they seem to cost a lot of money, and seem to do very little or do nothing that couldnt be done by fewer people .

Do you really want, the truth the whole truth & nothing but the truth etc on your RPRA scenario David from a person, who even before he joined this site thought they were a total basket case Organisation on the whole for those they were there to serve type of thing. End of the day as you say     what do they actually do, that a well-organized dedicated average Fed/Combine don't do for their members on average I suggest come race day & also for maybe 1/4 of the cost I somehow suspect in the end End of the day     if quite honest here, they may have certainly served a purpose there in the past as such, but it's now 2023 by my reckoning     & not 1923 as one could perhaps say  .

Beg to differ lads.

Think you are missing the point, the main one being the protection of the ownership of our feathered friends, then rules and regulations applicable to all. and penalties for breaking them etc;

The actual combines clubs etc; depend on a set of rules that have to be administered and are applicable to all and would need a set up similar to the RPRA.

Not to mention the supply and registration of rings and transfers and strays

The RPRA is,if administered in a proper manner, a good means of conducting the sport's activities and there is no reasonable alternative.

Every other sport has a similar organisation, not the RPRA that is wrong but the fact it has not moved with the times like all other sports have done.

Whose fault ?

The IM ALRIGHT JACKS.

With the present technology costs could be cut but you still need a person to deal with 100 fanciers as 1,000 in many cases.

Should not be moaning after the horse has bolted.

Regards.

MISTY wrote:

Beg to differ lads.

Think you are missing the point, the main one being the protection of the ownership of our feathered friends, then rules and regulations applicable to all. and penalties for breaking them etc;

The actual combines clubs etc; depend on a set of rules that have to be administered and are applicable to all and would need a set up similar to  the RPRA.

Not to mention the supply and registration of rings and transfers and strays

The RPRA is,if administered in a proper manner, a good means of conducting the sport's activities and there is no reasonable alternative.

Every other sport has a similar organisation, not the RPRA that is wrong but the fact it has not moved with the times like all other sports have done.

Whose fault ?

The IM ALRIGHT JACKS.

With the present technology costs could be cut but you still need a person to deal with 100 fanciers as 1,000 in many cases.

Should not be moaning after the horse has bolted.

Regards.

 

Maybe your perhaps somehow missing the point etc Misty What purpose as an example, does your RPRA there serve to the mighty UNC of our Mr Peel here or the like, like those racing in Scotland there in a pigeon type sense. Anyone with good intent & the welfare of their members pigeons as the main focus can do what your RPRA does from my perspective. Many pigeon operations survive in a healthy type way I suggest because of the dedication factor of a few there & have done so for many years & would have found no requirement what so ever for something like your RPRA to be God almighty when decisions are required to be made there somehow if/when acting in the best interests over all of their general members come race day. End of the day     it's a value for money thing I suggest if honest     & even a half whit like me down here       knows there is a bad smell in the air when your RPRA somehow becomes involved in a general type discussion scenario.

UNC founded 1905

Largest pigeon organisation in GB.

Governed by the NEHU.

Says.

We adhere strickly to the RPRA, DEFRA, and DVSA rules and guide lines this is a
MUST not only for our members but for our main customers the fabulous racing pigeons themselves.

Clear enough for me.

Regards.

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MISTY wrote:

UNC founded 1905

Largest pigeon organisation in GB.

Governed by the NEHU.

Says.

We adhere strickly to the RPRA, DEFRA, and DVSA rules and guide lines this is a
MUST not only for our members but for our main customers the fabulous racing pigeons themselves.

Clear enough for me.

Regards.

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Answers only half my query/question I suggest maybe Misty Scotland are they not still part of England so to speak, even thou I believe their are those there apparently that I understand wish now not to be type thing. End of the day all matters little somehow I suggest as many start at the one general spot with good intent in a pigeon type sense & choose for many different reasons the best most logical road/way to Rome as such for themselves, even if perhaps different somehow. End of the day     the most worrying part for me here     I'm   was where your RPRA apparently first met for their first general meeting etc Misty back in 1895 or there abouts     Leeds of all places     I believe/understand. What a spot somehow, maybe    I suggest    to first start the game off type of thing          .

yes knackered, the rpra was born in a leeds pub .........very similar to how hitlers nazi party were formed, in a pub ......

David wrote:

yes knackered, the rpra was born in a leeds pub .........very similar to how hitlers nazi party were formed, in a pub ......

One of the main clubs involved in the forming of both the RPRA and the Show of Year was the Askern Club, 7 miles from Doncaster.

No sporting activity of note has not a Ruling Body and strict rules that all have to adhere to, would be ridiculous to attempt to run a complicated sport like ours without strict rules and regulations.

Every sport of not has one.

In principle the RPRA is a sound one, it is how it is administered that is wrong.

Perhaps those who think otherwise can give a better alternative.

Regards.

MISTY wrote:

David wrote:

yes knackered, the rpra was born in a leeds pub .........very similar to how hitlers nazi party were formed, in a pub ......

One of the main clubs involved in the forming of both the RPRA and the Show of Year was the Askern Club, 7 miles from Doncaster.

No sporting activity of note has not a Ruling Body and strict rules that all have to adhere to, would be ridiculous to attempt to run a complicated sport like ours without strict rules and regulations.

Every sport of not has one.

In principle the RPRA is a sound one, it is how it is administered that is wrong.

Perhaps those who think otherwise can give a better alternative.

Regards.

I agree 100% etc Misty my point thou, is if a body of men/women, of sound mind at a federation/combine/national type level require a bunch of yes men types from Leeds as example, telling them what/when & maybe how they must do things in a pigeon sense. Raced pigeons down here for over 100 years & little you have done there I suspect, we haven't here done type of thing on our little island & basically it's because of men/women with good intent & the utter dedication factor always acting in the best interest over all of their members on average & the best interest of their pigeons for the most part when talking pigeons. Now not wishing to be too harsh here But really speaking, if some half whit do Gooder type here a 1000 miles as such tried to come down heavy with demands of what one must do with us pigeon men here he would go home rather battered & bruised beyond repair more times than not I suspect. Certain people for their own reasons one could say, prefer to be spoon fed or led by the nose like a bull in a bull ring I found. Down here fortunately we much prefer to do things for ourselves in our own way with what's best in a local pigeon sense & its been quite successful somehow, strangely enough & I suspect somehow   it's mainly because in the past here most of us were simply bred down from a bunch of rebel type convicts of ill repute fortunately for the most part, thanks to your lot there        .

Think you have missed the point Knackered along with the facts.

The meeting in Leeds was where the suggestion of a regulated ruling body for the sport was suggested, nothing more than that.

From then on ALL clubs etc were involved, in deciding the Rules and regulations.

Following which, as per all other such organisations, AGMs are held to enable members to offer improvement amendments.

Where the RPRA have failed, the membership have allowed a clique to keep a tight hold on the reigns and they have driven it down the sink.

The RPRA has not been a representative of the memberships wishes.

Since the very early 1970s when I found out the depth of depravity in the Council I have strived to get rid of the bad apples, but no one is worried unless they are personally inconvenienced, so the band wagon goes on and the sport is well on the way to being ruined.

Do not blame the RPRA tis the apathetic general IM ALRIGHT JACKS TO BLAME.

Regards.

MISTY wrote:

Think you have missed the point Knackered along with the facts.

The meeting in Leeds was where the suggestion of a regulated ruling body for the sport was suggested, nothing more than that.

From then on ALL clubs etc were involved, in deciding the Rules and regulations.

Following which, as per all other such organisations, AGMs are held to enable members to offer improvement amendments.

Where the RPRA have failed, the membership have allowed a clique to keep a tight hold on the reigns and they have driven it down the sink.

The RPRA has not been a representative of the memberships wishes.

Since the very early 1970s when I found out the depth of depravity in the Council I have strived to get rid of the bad apples, but no one is worried unless they are personally inconvenienced, so the band wagon goes on and the sport is well on the way to being ruined.

Do not blame the RPRA tis the apathetic general IM ALRIGHT JACKS TO BLAME.

Regards.      

Always loved     & respected a tryer type Misty in a pigeon sense. Like, 50 years a failure etc it appears with you apparently beating your head there against a brick wall for the simple enjoyment factor, with your RPRA. End of the day any views on cataract type operations, been told a must have here yesterday & it scares the absolute sh*t out of me I'm if honest. .

Nothing to worry about Knackered, cataract operations one of the most routine ones.

Had one done in my left eye, although lost sight in that eye after a bodged laser treatment.

Also the nurse will hold your hand.

Nothing whatsoever to worry about.

After which you will be able to see the RPRA is a good organisation run by idiots.

Regards.

MISTY wrote:

Nothing to worry about Knackered, cataract operations one of the most routine ones.

Had one done in my left eye, although lost sight in that eye after a bodged laser treatment.

Also the nurse will hold your hand.

Nothing whatsoever to worry about.

After which you will be able to see the RPRA is a good organisation run by idiots.

Regards.  

So What your basically saying is Misty is if I call for a volunteer here (because I'm a total coward) someone will maybe step forward to take my place etc. End of the day watching the local races here as I speak & the result of the 3rd race reminded me of typical pigeon flyers on race day for the most part. Winner, 65 to one 2nd place 40 to one & 3rd 20 to one in a field of ten .

No need to worry at all Knackered.

As for horse racing, one of my best mates was a bookie.

Saw him nearly every day, unfortunately, he died far younger than he should have done,still keep in touch with his family.

Point being, he had a nice car, I had a push bike scenario.

I only ever backed in 10p doubles and trebles just for fun.

Regards.

maybe ban the lottery   put more food on the table