Ambition in sport

for me misty the biggest down fall to the sport was ets when families found the fancier did not have to stay to clock in it was a case of we do it as a family now we go out to-gather

George & Morgan wrote:

for me misty the biggest down fall to the sport was ets when families found the fancier did not have to stay to clock in it was a case of we do it as a family now we go out to-gather  

Agree entirely George.

Anyone not at the loft to great their entries for as long as is reasonable should not keep pigeons, with no excuses.

It was introduced both without fancier's consent,against the rules and against fair play and against the law.

But then you are talking RPRA Council.

Proved there was no obligation re the handicapt to introduce it ( the reason given by the RPRA) wrote to the appropriate Government department who confirmed we were under no obligation to introduce it and sent the reply to the then General Manager, thanked me and the Council took no notice.

If someone in a big race was beaten by decimals the other fancier using a ETS and him/her a race rubber method he/she would have good grounds for an objection on grounds of unfair advantage and think the Law would uphold it.

Every other sport I can think of have made improvements for all concerned our lot have just about killed the sport.

Regards.

just been looking at dads old club 140 members in it's day last week 6 members sent to race in Wales

ets stopped me topping the open twice as i was on T3 and winner on ets ,was also told his pad was outside the loft ,a good flier no doubt it was the same fancier who beat me both times on the same yard and a decimal in it ,when i worked it out it was no more than 5 seconds ah well c'est la vie eh but i agree that ets was a bad thing ...why would you race pigeons and not want to see them home

i always said this darren about the pad being outside the loft, it shouldnt be allowed, regardless of what rpra rules say .........having the pad outside and even using ets gives the fancier an advantage over the t3 user.

i do think the ets is a good thing for disabled fanciers though .

David wrote:

i always said this darren about the pad being outside the loft, it shouldnt be allowed, regardless of what rpra rules say .........having the pad outside and even using ets gives the fancier an advantage over the t3 user.

i do think the ets is a good thing for disabled fanciers though .

Cowboy type country David I'm the way I see the general pad/antenna set up etc. Just in the short time I've had mine in operation here I've seen many walk on it & then back away, before finely going through the trap as such with it before the trap entrance here, but well within what the local regulations down here permit as such. Now a test of sorts for all Benzing experts as such watching see maybe how you would perhaps go trying to put rings, from 1998 to 2009 etc in your fancy electronic clock etc & perhaps one may just learn something a bit odd somewhat to normal I somehow suspect/suggest    .

The OL events show that the first bird back does not always get the first place, nor any subsequent arrivals get their arrival position in many cases.

Would prefer the landing board to be the active part.

Would not be feasible to have OL races using any other method.

Regards.

oldstrain wrote:

ets stopped me topping the open twice as i was on T3 and winner on ets ,was also told his pad was outside the loft ,a good flier no doubt it was the same fancier who beat me both times on the same yard and a decimal in it ,when i worked it out it was no more than 5 seconds ah well c'est la vie eh but i agree that ets was a bad thing ...why would you race pigeons and not want to see them home

Necessary evil now these days I'm O/S from my perspective. Back in my old ways here as you know Monday here first toss etc as normal, when back when 12 miles. Never knew how long as such in all the years I've been going there that they took to first reach home. Now know to the very second as such now (Thanks, Mr Benzing)   as first off on Monday there they actually took 21 minutes & 4 seconds apparently which was well before I arrived home to wonder in the old days how long they may have just taking to complete the journey in general. Grumble we may but for someone who first started off running to the local railway station, with a rubber in his mouth type thing to find a winner of sorts down here, because no one then had clocks being all kids in nature I could suggest maybe thou evil perhaps to some, we have fortunately if honest advanced somewhat thankfully with the modern ways now in general on average in using electronic type clocks, even if not quite perfect in certain folks minds by my experience.

MISTY wrote:

The OL events show that the first bird back does not always get the first place, nor any subsequent arrivals get their arrival position in many cases.

Would prefer the landing board to be the active part.

Would not be feasible to have OL races using any other method.

Regards.

that system may be ok for one lofts misty, but i think when its club racing and some have the pad outside and some have it within the confines of the loft it is giving an un fair advantage......

they might as well have the pad on the house roof ......

David wrote:

MISTY wrote:

The OL events show that the first bird back does not always get the first place, nor any subsequent arrivals get their arrival position in many cases.

Would prefer the landing board to be the active part.

Would not be feasible to have OL races using any other method.

Regards.

that system may be ok for one lofts misty, but i think when its club racing and some have the pad outside and some have it within the confines of the loft it is giving an un fair advantage......

they might as well have the pad on the house roof ......

That was my point David, OK for OLs but not for club racing.

Actually the whole present system stinks for several reasons.

Regards.

oldstrain wrote:

ets stopped me topping the open twice as i was on T3 and winner on ets ,was also told his pad was outside the loft ,a good flier no doubt it was the same fancier who beat me both times on the same yard and a decimal in it ,when i worked it out it was no more than 5 seconds ah well c'est la vie eh but i agree that ets was a bad thing ...why would you race pigeons and not want to see them home

Went into the whole scenario oldstrain many years ago.

Pointed out that not one can be certain that any distance is correct, could be yards adrift yet race in theory could be won by .01 of a yard.

In a 60 mile race flown at 60 miles an hour would mean the winner, if all flew 60 miles by 2" and 500th of a second.

Does not mean it is very unlikely it means the formula is flawed because it COULD happen under the system.

Remember shortly after new measurements were taken under a new system many results would have been different if previous races had been re-calculated.

Most laughable part, the transporters do not know the exact place the measurements were calculated from, so the probability is EVERY DISTANCE USED IS YARDS ADRIFT.

Yet they can send men to the moon.

Regards.

David wrote:

MISTY wrote:

The OL events show that the first bird back does not always get the first place, nor any subsequent arrivals get their arrival position in many cases.

Would prefer the landing board to be the active part.

Would not be feasible to have OL races using any other method.

Regards.

that system may be ok for one lofts misty, but i think when its club racing and some have the pad outside and some have it within the confines of the loft it is giving an un fair advantage......

they might as well have the pad on the house roof ......

House roof I'm all for that etc David as long as I can stick my pad/antenna here a 100 ft up my gum trees type thing. Rubbish over     surely David, all pad positions in lofts are inspected are they not by those in charge to see they meet the required law of the land there in a pigeon type sense.

been reading of ybs straight from the nest £2500 each nice if you could breed and sell 100 ybs

Knackered wrote:

David wrote:

MISTY wrote:

The OL events show that the first bird back does not always get the first place, nor any subsequent arrivals get their arrival position in many cases.

Would prefer the landing board to be the active part.

Would not be feasible to have OL races using any other method.

Regards.

that system may be ok for one lofts misty, but i think when its club racing and some have the pad outside and some have it within the confines of the loft it is giving an un fair advantage......

they might as well have the pad on the house roof ......

House roof I'm all for that etc David as long as I can stick my pad/antenna here a 100 ft up my gum trees type thing. Rubbish over     surely David, all pad positions in lofts are inspected are they not by those in charge to see they meet the required law of the land there in a pigeon type sense.

That is exactly what I said David, the only way in a OL unfair in any other race
irrespective of where the pad is.

Regards.

Knackered wrote:

House roof I'm all for that etc David as long as I can stick my pad/antenna here a 100 ft up my gum trees type thing. Rubbish over     surely David, all pad positions in lofts are inspected are they not by those in charge to see they meet the required law of the land there in a pigeon type sense.

as far as i know knackered, i dont think they are checked ........plus those inclined could move their pads after inspection if they so wished .

David wrote:

Knackered wrote:

House roof I'm all for that etc David as long as I can stick my pad/antenna here a 100 ft up my gum trees type thing. Rubbish over     surely David, all pad positions in lofts are inspected are they not by those in charge to see they meet the required law of the land there in a pigeon type sense.

as far as i know knackered, i dont think they are checked ........plus those inclined could move their pads after inspection if they so wished .

What I cannot understand is why anyone wants to cheat in the first place.

They may not be found out but they know themselves they are cheats.

Regards.

cheating = winning

winning = £££££

David wrote:

cheating = winning

winning = £££££

Heard it said, money is the root of all evil.

Never been interested in it myself as long as I could meet my needs.

But object to my wife's pension along with mine being taxed.

Regards.

on another forum chap puts up some photos of his birds a fancier writes why don't you put up your results number of birds in race did not think if putting up a pigeon photo you must have results for it

some people just cant help them selves george, they just have to talk shit ......

George & Morgan wrote:

on another forum chap puts up some photos of his birds a fancier writes why don't you put up your results number of birds in race did not think if putting up a pigeon photo you must have results for it

Some fanciers take great pride in their pigeons regardless of anything else.

There are more races etc; won by advantage than anything else.

If a fancier is proud of his pigeons why not show them off, irrespective of any other consideration.

Jealousy is a contributary factor regarding some fanciers.

Regards.

George & Morgan wrote:

on another forum chap puts up some photos of his birds a fancier writes why don't you put up your results number of birds in race did not think if putting up a pigeon photo you must have results for it

Quite frankly George I'm the blokes simply up himself etc what one has to do with the other has little to do if one just plainly enjoys posting photos of ones birds as such. End of the day big egoes everywhere I've found but most go missing sadly, into a head type wind & especially if it's around 5/600 odd miles or further as such.

Just got renewal documents for car insurance been with them for years, believe David used them last year.

Previous year £470.72 the renewal figure £584.80.

Car worth about ten bob.

OH HAPPY DAYS.

Regards.

because i don't drive now have taken mine of the road into side garden and canceled tax and insurance however my internet and phone has gone up a lot

yes misty i used the same company, did me a decent price ......ive had my car 12 years and have no desire to change it