T2 wind up clock...?

But once you have got the young bird season out of the way the next step is the full season with the old birds

its a different ball game with old birds ,

yes ian i know, thats what im not confident about......anyone can fly ybs to the perch cant they.

you,ll soon get the hang of it with help from members on here

yes ian i know, if it wasnt for our members i wouldnt know a fraction of what ive learned because locals wouldnt tell me.........didnt know about darkness when i started again.

always something new to learn no matter how long you,ve had them

true ian, because no birds are the same, no racing season is the same and no breeding season is the same, nothing ever runs the same each year, ive heard of fanciers who do very well one year and struggle another year and visa versa........

yes but think its down to picking things up in baskets and the lack of people not telling you whats going arround

yes i think they do pick things up in the basket alot, although as far as i know problems like canker are always in the bird but can come out in them when under stress......

yes thats right but iam on about other things such as crop , fungal ,and respitory diceases

yes ian, ive noticed on the odd occasion some of mine sneezing.....is this anything ?

not really david could be just a bit dusty in the loft all i can say just keep an eye on them for greasy wattles ,or watery droppings the droppings tell you all sorts of things

Spot on Ian

David if you go to your loft in the morning to clean out look at the droppings if they are like little marbles which run of the perch when scrapped then for me there is very little wrong with your pigeons

But when i say marbles i mean to clean the perch you may only need a brush as they should roll of the perch

marbles and plenty down tells your there condition

Foegot about the down feathers

Cheers Ian

no probs you do forget about certain things now and then

dont mention down feathers, its a sore point.....my loft is covered in them in all the sections. i clean out every day and theres more feathers than droppings.......