tonics and medicines, are they required? or is hard work the key?

And Some people dont read post properly....

rudderfett wrote:

I think you have not understood Ian what I have said, I have not mentioned anything about treatments for disease or Illness, of course we all treat for the basics, I was simply answering about additives that all these brands promise almost special powers for your pigeons If you use them, I think you are a bit of a grump, I can see what Don is on about sometimes with you.....

you mentioned that you dont put anything in water you should make sure you make yourself clear if you are giving advise about pigeon everything out of a bottle is not illegal , also if you look at the original topic its about tonics and medicines get your facts right

I can see why people treat to prevent, but haven't yet myself. Mainly because there are so many products i'm a bit confused whats best and whats what.

I do use harkavit and black minerals though....

Ian natural products come out of a bottle vitamins also come out of a bottle

I am not saying, things that comes out of a bottle is no good for your pigeons, but if you can keep things to the bear minimum then so be it

But and don't be but yes you have to sometimes use treatment to help but for me the less the better

As I said before I was only replying to subjects I know about, treatments come under management and as far as I know everyone has to treat never known anyone who hasnt.
I was simply commenting on one of the subjects in the post, which was pretty clear, as the word treatment never appeared in my answer. Im NOT INTERESTED IN ARGUMENTS, but dont like people calling what I have said a load of rubbish, when they clearly havnt understood what was said, so lets let this one lie....