anybody had a red hen with pencil marks

If you understant genetics you will know that there is no reason for a hen to have brown flecks/splashes and a cock to have black, that simply doesnt make sence, the 2 are not linked in any way colour is a genetic mutation which is not gender specific?

Rudderfett wrote:

If you understant genetics you will know that there is no reason for a hen to have brown flecks/splashes and a cock to have black, that simply doesnt make sence, the 2 are not linked in any way colour is a genetic mutation which is not gender specific?

Martyn can see were your coming from

Hi Don, As I said before the splashes in a red come from grizzle, if a dark drizzle were paired to a red, that could possibly throw a red slashed, as you can get a red grizzle you can also get a red with grizzle which is the splashes? Wouldnt be surprised if those with red splashed birds either bred grizzles from them, or bred a red splash from a grizzle?

like the one in my avatar

Not Sure about that 1....what colour is that? a choc pied or choc grizzle? nice looking bird though and yes I would paint a tumbler.

i call them mottles
but also called spangles,tigers ,splashes plus a few others in fancy breeds
i would love a painting done of a limerick tumbler
pm sizes/prices and i can get you some better pics from diffrent angles
cheers steve

Rudderfett wrote:

Hi Don, As I said before the splashes in a red come from grizzle, if a dark drizzle were paired to a red, that could possibly throw a red slashed, as you can get a red grizzle you can also get a red with grizzle which is the splashes? Wouldnt be surprised if those with red splashed birds either bred grizzles from them, or bred a red splash from a grizzle?

ive never know a grizzle be bred from anything else but a grizzle...........thought at least one of the parents must be one.

Technically a red with splashes is a grizzle, I have never owned a red with splashes so would be interested to know if anyone has bred a grizzle from a red splash or a red splash from a grizzle? however It is possible to breed a grizzle from 2 birds that are not grizzle because I know os one.

interesting subject there martyn, never really thought about it...............would be interested to hear from members if they have ever bred a grizzle from non grizzle parents ?

maybe a grizzle could be found in the grandparents of the one you talk about martyn ....?

also when we are talking about a red spashed tecnically being a grizzle, are we talking about a red cheq...?

Yes david red chequers with black splashes, I have a few grizzles myself I have a grizzle hen who will either breed 2 grizzles in the nest or none, I have never bred from her non grizzle youngsters to see if they breed them? I have a grizzle cock paired to a chequer whos mother was a red, so never know might get a red splash? Also can you get a red from non red parents, not done much with reds I only have 1 and thats it, I really dont like them much.

i would think as long as there is a red/grizzle in the ancestry of a pair they could always possibly breed one on the odd occasion........

ive personally never really liked reds/mealies and hadnt really ever seen one with top wins, altho i know there will be some which are good as the fancier who i got my janssens off has an old red cock who has 10 firsts.

the mealy in my avatar picture as a black splash on her tail you can,t see it on the picture
but she as one all being well she is going to tarbes in the NFC along with the red cock i posted up the other day they are nest mates .

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oldstrain wrote:

i have a red hen she has had 2 nests which were last spring and she bred me 4 reds when paired to a blue cheq and a blue pied and all turned out cocks which was evident very early as they had black

Darren any red with splashes will always be cocks same with mealies

so that puts that out the window don , another hen with pencil marks

that bird in my avatar was red till the 1st moult
then they tend to change a little with every moult
i use grizzels to breed the mottling/splashes in my show pigeons