y/b sickness

took this off another site might be an idea to use it as a sticky good reference


First off how do our young birds catch the sickness, at one time you would catch young bird sickness when you mixed your birds with others when training, or the first or second race, they come back from the trainer or race and by Tuesday pm they are being sick, and it takes 2 or 3 weeks before they can be race again, now fanciers are catching sickness long before they are mixed with other birds I personally believe the sickness is air born and it can now spread just by your pigeons flying with other youngsters when you let them out. Yours come back from flying with 5 or 6 youngsters from another loft and land with yours, this could be another way,
ONE of the first signs is when they land after a fly you will see 1 or 2 pecking at the floor, picking up bits of wood or plastic or anything the birds can or pick up, the young birds seem not to know what to do with themselves, when you call them to come in the shed 1 or 2 just will not go in and you know they are hungry they seem to not know the way to go into the shed. And when they do go in they eat for England, it starts off with 1 or 2 and in the end you have up to 60% of the birds acting this way these are a couple of signs to look for.

Also when you let them out you open the doors or trap and they just look at you, they just don't want to fly, if you chase them out they fly for about 15 mins, also they tend to go off their food slightly, tend to take longer to clear their feed.
In the mornings handle 6 to 10 birds each day to find out if they have corn still left in crop this is the last sign before young birds sickness, so keep a close eye on them.

I will tell you now the 3 steps will only work if you have got young bird sickness, just because birds have corn in crop in the morning, this does not mean they have the sickness. If you have birds that are not digesting their corn at all, then you can use the 3 steps.
Lets say you feed your young birds Monday AM and by Tues AM, they still have corn in crop then yes use the 3 steps.

PRODUCTS YOU WILL NEED =

There are 2 products you need to purchase, 1 from the supermarket first is SODA CRYSTAL.
The second product from a chemist is MEDICINAL CHARCOAL TABLETS, which contains 100 tablets cut in half this will give you 200 doses, you give half per young bird (make sure you buy tablets not capsules they are more expensive) I buy mine from BOOTS £2.99 for 100 tablets. They work on old birds too, if they are having problems with vomiting.

RIGHT THIS IS WHAT YOU DO =

If the young birds retain the corn for more than 24 hours or being sick, the following will be sufficient to treat 20 birds so you will have to make up as required:
ADD 5 teaspoons of soda crystal and 100 mls of warm water and stir till dissolved, it doesn't matter if you put 10 teaspoons you can not overdose with the amount.
So do not worry it will not hurt them, you need a syringe to syringe 5 ml down each birds throat, this will make them vomit up all the corn in the crop.
Leave them for half hour, if they have not been sick syringe 5 ml more down each birds throat you must make them SICK, the soda will sterilize their crop.
When they are sick feel the crop you might have to syringe them 1 more time, you must make sure the crop is completely empty of all corn, once you make sure the crop is empty let them rest for half hour then give them half of charcoal pill each.
When you are making them sick place them in a pen with grids or upturn a crate so they can not pick up corn when they are sick, OR you will have to watch them.
REMEMBER this works in seconds as soon as you syringe the 5 mls down the throat they will vomit straight away.

The next part is the most important once you give half of charcoal pill you must not feed for 26 HOURS please do not feed THIS IS MOST IMPORTANT.
Now when you feed you must only give them DEPURITIVE or DIET and you only give each bird quarter ounce only NO more that day.
The reason for the half pill is it goes through them and cleans them through from crop to back end.
And you only give them a light feed to start with the next day to start the crop moving, give birds quarter ounce depuritive or diet mix late evening. On second day, half ounce depuritive. On third day 50% depuritive 50% corn, once AM and the same late PM.
Next day feed back to normal, young bird sickness gone, you must follow instruction VERY IMPORTANT.

SO THE 3 STEPS ARE =
1 - SYRINGE 5ML DOWN THROAT TILL SICK
2 - HALF CHARCOAL PILL FOR EACH BIRD
3 - DO NOT FEED FOR 26 HOURS

From now on you do not have to worry about young bird sickness you now have the tools to deal with it.
sean

thanks for the info Sean interestin read and to keep it to hand too

great post mate. now i no ive got yb sickness cheers will try wat it says in the post out and let u no how it goes .

It is also a good idea to have some Nifyramycin on hand in the drugs cupboard.
http://pigeons.mercasystems.com/index.php/rohnfried-pigeons-products-nifuramycin-box-30-x-25gr.html

At first sign of hungry youngbirds flying too long and not listening to the corn tin rattle or whistle and or looking unwell or holding corn give the flock a treatment.
It works a treat and they will be right in days.
This treats stress which usually causes Adenovirus or YB sickness to rear its ugly head and stops any other nasties or secondary infections taking hold of the youngsters while their immune systems strengthen up again.

the one time i had yb sickness spencerline i used nifuramycin , it took about a week of treatment and starving them for 24 hours but it did the trick.....i know others will prefer the charcoal method but each to their own, at the end of the day the birds are cured and ready to race again.......

yes i have used nify before and it has worked a treat....also tried the other method of starving um and giving charcoal tabs and double dose apple cider vinegar...some use yakult some even use gaviscon ....the nify is handy if the ybs get a secondary infection which is not always visible to the untrained eye jmo

David wrote:

the one time i had yb sickness spencerline i used nifuramycin , it took about a week of treatment and starving them for 24 hours but it did the trick.....i know others will prefer the charcoal method but each to their own, at the end of the day the birds are cured and ready to race again.......

Yes David the main thing is getting them healthy again quickly, if you catch it soon enough then 5 days and they will be ok again with the Nifuramycin. Its a lot easier than the charcoal method if you have 100 ybs too, lol. but each to their own if they both work.

how old can a young bird be to get young bird sickness

stormqueen wrote:

how old can a young bird be to get young bird sickness

hi john, the time mine got it was when they were older and training....it was fairly near to the first yb race in fact, which meant they missed the first race...altho` maybe they could get it anytime, i dont know.

any age but as david says usualy when the pressure of training and racing is on the birds

stormqueen wrote:

how old can a young bird be to get young bird sickness

they can get it any time after weaning stress brings it on sean

try nifudex for 7 days

did you know that you can obtain a vacine that will do the job also do para at the same time.

Never heard this b4 what's it called ?

i have never heard of a vaccine for ybs before ...the top pigeon vets say its adeno coli syndrome a virus that causes ybs ...the vaccine must have only come out this year ....but i have not heard of it ,i will ask my freind at belgica de weerdt as this is very interesting

last season i was unfortunate to have my birds contact a virus,this was called corona virus, it is carried by water foul i. e. ducks /. geese ,my vet sold me this vaccine which is for chickens she told me it would protect my birds from corona virus, paramixo virus, and young bird sickness, it came in a 1,000 dose bottle and cost me around £80 pounds and i can tell you it did exactly what she said it would do.

ah rite so what is this vaccine called and what is the chemical make up of it ...not being funny or owt mate i am genuinely interested

oldstrain wrote:

ah rite so what is this vaccine called and what is the chemical make up of it ...not being funny or owt mate i am genuinely interested

hear goes anything to help, IB+ND+EDS inactivated vaccine for active immunisation of laying and breeding birds against infectious bronchitis, egg drop syndrome and newcastle disease, made by nobilis. edgie.

ok thanks mate i will look into it...yes the corona virus seems to be mutating and new strains are being found to affect us humans and can be deadly ..although in avian species it usualy starts as a form of bronchitis but can affect other organs
...would not want to be getting that lol atb mate and thanks for the info...i would say you were very lucky to get that off your vet

can i ask one more question of you edgie...do you find this vaccine knocks the ybs off for a period of time

oldstrain wrote:

ok thanks mate i will look into it...yes the corona virus seems to be mutating and new strains are being found to affect us humans and can be deadly ..although in avian species it usualy starts as a form of bronchitis but can affect other organs
...would not want to be getting that lol atb mate and thanks for the info...i would say you were very lucky to get that off your vet

yes you dont want your birds with that, it is a terrible thing, i destroyed two rounds of y/birds and quite a good few stock birds before i bottomed it, totaly devastated me, my wife said it was very stressfull watching me come out of the lofts for around 2 months, and nearly always having a dead bird in my hands, dont no how i coped, anyway all in the past now , onwards and upwards as they say .

oldstrain wrote:

can i ask one more question of you edgie...do you find this vaccine knocks the ybs off for a period of time

did not harm mine but if you meen affect them racing that i cant answer as i am not in a club i only train them as y/birds.

well thank god you came through it and have light at the end of the tunnel now mate....i wish you all the best for 2013 but as far as the vaccine in question is concerned and if the top pigeon vets are correct with their diagnosis with ybs then i cant see how this vaccine would help adeno coli syndrome other than maybe boosting the immunity levels so much that ybs does not take a hold which could well be the case even though the vaccine in question is not specificaly designed for ybs and either way atb to you mate and hope you have seen the last of misfortune atb to you edgie

oldstrain wrote:

well thank god you came through it and have light at the end of the tunnel now mate....i wish you all the best for 2013 but as far as the vaccine in question is concerned and if the top pigeon vets are correct with their diagnosis with ybs then i cant see how this vaccine would help adeno coli syndrome other than maybe boosting the immunity levels so much that ybs does not take a hold which could well be the case even though the vaccine in question is not specificaly designed for ybs and either way atb to you mate and hope you have seen the last of misfortune atb to you edgie

if you find anything out about this vaccine please let me know, knollage is a usefull thing.

to be honest mate i dont think theirs much else to find out ...its a dead vaccine thats a 3 pronged attack and does exactly what it says on the tin ...i just visited the noblis site and had a read up on it and all i can think is that it boosts the ybs immunity so much so ...that they can shrug off ybs with no problem and who is to say the pigeon vets are correct in what they say ybs is (adeno coli syndrome) and i would say a type of bird influenza could well be the cause of ybs who knows as the vets are not conclusive in their findings of the cause for ybs ...maybe you have been lucky enough to find a very good avian vet who knows what they are talking about ....it does seem strange how some lofts suffer from ybs and some dont and some get it year after year so maybe it is down to location and wild species carrying the virus ....but thats a whole lot of more questions lol and until a extensive
survey is done we will never know but one thing that would be interesting would be to try the vaccine in question on one section of ybs and not another at a loft location where they get young bird sickness annualy and as its a dead vaccine i am pretty sure it would be easily obtainable