Any thought's etc

This morning I was out early on my morning punishment session up hill & down dale so to speak & I happened to pass some blokes building another transmission tower etc, for all you blokes that have/like mobile phones. I couldn't help but think to myself, with so many of them around now what damage they may do to our birds on certain days, if the weather conditions are on the poor/crap side. To me, in relation to the birds etc for quiet awhile now I've had a feeling in my bones that they are not helping us much, with our returns.
Could be wrong ??????? but I've learnt to put a lot of faith in what my bones tell me.
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i just pigeons are weaker nowadays,i think things like treatments ,the dark system and possibly things like what your saying don,t help

peel bros wrote:

i just pigeons are weaker nowadays,i think things like treatments ,the dark system and possibly things like what your saying don,t help

I agree Ray I think with all the studs and adds selling pigeons in BHW, etc they no longer get rid of their weak birds like they did, they sell them on.
I also agree things like darkness, light systems and interfering with nature don't help, as for mobile phone masts and digital TVs they probably add to it.

Don't know bout you guys but we are getting a pile of Wind Turbines over here. I'm sure the vultures will take up permanent residence under them.

i think we just moan about it more in days gone by people just got on with whatever was thrown at them

lifes to short wrote:

i think we just moan about it more in days gone by people just got on with whatever was thrown at them

Hear, Hear ... Yep that too!

peel bros wrote:

i just pigeons are weaker nowadays,i think things like treatments ,the dark system and possibly things like what your saying don,t help

Will second that Ray

EssexSteve wrote:

peel bros wrote:

i just pigeons are weaker nowadays,i think things like treatments ,the dark system and possibly things like what your saying don,t help

I agree Ray I think with all the studs and adds selling pigeons in BHW, etc they no longer get rid of their weak birds like they did, they sell them on.
I also agree things like darkness, light systems and interfering with nature don't help, as for mobile phone masts and digital TVs they probably add to it.

Will third that Steve

An awful lot of pigeons bred from current fashionable names not performances. For example people at Blackpool show buying stock where you had to go back 3 and 4 generations on the pedigree just to find something that had even seen a basket. Breeding from half sisters to a cousin of an aunt of a grandson of a pigeon that won a first from 60miles in Belgium then they drop like flies here in UK by the time they get to 120 miles in a NE wind in April.
I know a lot of good proven birds are still going down so maybe something about phones/satellite comms and hawk strikes are having an impact but if you're racing birds with just a load of fancy names in their ancestry rather than solid performances in good birdages, then your going to loose more than a few.
JMO anyway.

I personally dont think anything like that affects our birds, and my reasoning is this, If Transmiters or anything similar confuse or interfere with the homing ability of the birds, Then surely because all pigeons navagate the same way, all the birds would be lost 100%.
But this is never the case no matter how bad a race is there are always birds home, some birds always get back, and this simply wouldnt happen they would all be lost.
Just my opinion and theory.

barnie wrote:

An awful lot of pigeons bred from current fashionable names not performances. For example people at Blackpool show buying stock where you had to go back 3 and 4 generations on the pedigree just to find something that had even seen a basket. Breeding from half sisters to a cousin of an aunt of a grandson of a pigeon that won a first from 60miles in Belgium then they drop like flies here in UK by the time they get to 120 miles in a NE wind in April.
I know a lot of good proven birds are still going down so maybe something about phones/satellite comms and hawk strikes are having an impact but if you're racing birds with just a load of fancy names in their ancestry rather than solid performances in good birdages, then your going to loose more than a few.
JMO anyway.

Barnie i will agree with you about the fancy names and yes then most english fancier fall for it everytime

Get a pigeon with a Belguim or Dutch ring on and in there eyes its is top draw

lifes to short wrote:

i think we just moan about it more in days gone by people just got on with whatever was thrown at them

"Moan" Priceless never a truer word spoken in wisdom ???????? Old folk like me, never had expections etc when we were young, just glad to get 3 meals a day even if they were small portions . Today !! most of the younger generation want everyting giving to them on a platter & spit the dummy if it doesn't go their way.
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Knackered wrote:

This morning I was out early on my morning punishment session up hill & down dale so to speak & I happened to pass some blokes building another transmission tower etc, for all you blokes that have/like mobile phones. I couldn't help but think to myself, with so many of them around now what damage they may do to our birds on certain days, if the weather conditions are on the poor/crap side. To me, in relation to the birds etc for quiet awhile now I've had a feeling in my bones that they are not helping us much, with our returns.
Could be wrong ??????? but I've learnt to put a lot of faith in what my bones tell me.
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The extra microwaves in the air will certainly not do any good to help our birds navigate, especially when the new proposed 4G or whatever they call it doubles the amount of microwaves in the air overnight.
Solar flares from the sun are at their most active they have ever been in history at the moment and they interfere with the Earths magnetic field and scientists have recently proven that pigeons use the Earths magnetic field to navigate.
Along with all the man made crap in the atmosphere and the way over the years that many of the real Long distance birds have been crossed and their navigation skills have been watered down in the name of speed perhaps it affects most if not all of our birds.
This can be seen in the eyesign of some of these old strains that home from 600 miles or more and it seems to me that perhaps they can navigate with a mixed up weaker signal, wheras many of the watered down strains of faster flying birds cannot.

spencerline wrote:

Knackered wrote:

This morning I was out early on my morning punishment session up hill & down dale so to speak & I happened to pass some blokes building another transmission tower etc, for all you blokes that have/like mobile phones. I couldn't help but think to myself, with so many of them around now what damage they may do to our birds on certain days, if the weather conditions are on the poor/crap side. To me, in relation to the birds etc for quiet awhile now I've had a feeling in my bones that they are not helping us much, with our returns.
Could be wrong ??????? but I've learnt to put a lot of faith in what my bones tell me.
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The extra microwaves in the air will certainly not do any good to help our birds navigate, especially when the new proposed 4G or whatever they call it doubles the amount of microwaves in the air overnight.
Solar flares from the sun are at their most active they have ever been in history at the moment and they interfere with the Earths magnetic field and scientists have recently proven that pigeons use the Earths magnetic field to navigate.
Along with all the man made crap in the atmosphere and the way over the years that many of the real Long distance birds have been crossed and their navigation skills have been watered down in the name of speed perhaps it affects most if not all of our birds.
This can be seen in the eyesign of some of these old strains that home from 600 miles or more and it seems to me that perhaps they can navigate with a mixed up weaker signal, wheras many of the watered down strains of faster flying birds cannot.

well put over and my thoughts entirely

I think with all this that antibyotics as alot to do with our pigeons if a pigeon has had them then that bird will never have emunity once you have given it to then that is it as far as I no the dutch & belg us it quiet a lot that is why a lot of them get read of the youngsters after raceing is finshed and with the amount of these birds coming in to england and pepole dont realise this the worst thing you can give your birds is batril and that is not working like it use to you have to double dose your birds to have any effect dosent that tell you some thing my spelling is no good but I do no a bit about birds

Could be wrong ??????? but I've learnt to put a lot of faith in what my bones tell me.
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The extra microwaves in the air will certainly not do any good to help our birds navigate, especially when the new proposed 4G or whatever they call it doubles the amount of microwaves in the air overnight.
Solar flares from the sun are at their most active they have ever been in history at the moment and they interfere with the Earths magnetic field and scientists have recently proven that pigeons use the Earths magnetic field to navigate.
Along with all the man made crap in the atmosphere and the way over the years that many of the real Long distance birds have been crossed and their navigation skills have been watered down in the name of speed perhaps it affects most if not all of our birds.
This can be seen in the eyesign of some of these old strains that home from 600 miles or more and it seems to me that perhaps they can navigate with a mixed up weaker signal, wheras many of the watered down strains of faster flying birds cannot.
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Interesting read/concept etc, once science comes into the equation I'm lost ( I'm but a simple man) who has always followed the kiss theory & what my bones tell me. Such a subject as this, for what the truth may be etc most of us we can only speculate. It would be a brave man thou who would suggest ?????? that things will improve from what they are now, in the future I suspect.
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