Moxidectine wormer

sj lofts wrote:

unless ur testin every droppin from every bird in loft you wont know if you gt them I have mine fully tested 4 times a yr at retford poultry but still do alternate every 6 to 8 wks with either moxy . cydectin or medpet wormer capsules but that's jmo

Interesting Steve    "Fully tested" does that mean etc every bird in your loft is put under the microscope. That's the way I would read your wisdom & if that is  the case, that is far beyond what the average fancier could afford I suspect. Just as a follow on also to my little Rudd ramble     I think I'm correct in saying Rudd's birds live a farm like enviroment & I just think, that is in some way is food for thought     in regards to his words of wisdom.   
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a routine worming wont harm your birds but constant abuse of meds will
unless your having each bird tested ya will never be sure you havent got worms in ya loft testing a few gives a guide but no gaurentee

a good dry loft and a blow lamp come in handy but each to there own

i doubt any loft is germ free

As a follow up to the comments on this subject, the Vet told me that a single test of droppings from a pigeon in the same loft is all that's needed. If there are pigeons which never come into contact with any others and the sections are isolated then a test in each section would be needed.

Basically because they are all sharing the drinkers and the whole loft area they will over time pass on any ailments to each other. So worms, cocci and canker will be spread via the feeders and drinkers, and as all pigeons eat other pigeon poo they will catch everything from one another.

The management of a loft will determine the health of the birds, as my loft is kept well with floors burned, drinkers scrubbed and a good cleaning routine then my loft seems to be free from the nasty stuff which most lofts suffer from, if your lazy then treat them every week to keep them healthy.

Another point is who worms the wild birds? but each year they survive the harsh winters, and at spring time they hatch out healthy young to replenish the population, how many of you have clear eggs or dead in shell youngsters this season already.

We have a drive way leading to my father in laws farm, each side they have fur trees and the collar doves roost there every night. In the morning if you walk down the lane you will find a pile of droppings on the grass, under the trees left
over night from the doves. I would love my pigeons droppings to be as good as they are all year round, and no treatments just nature.

your pigeons like all others mix on a weekley basis with others when racing
and hold overs are more likely to pass on any infections etc did your vet not tell you that

True, but theres more than 1 way to skin a kat.

birdy2011 wrote:

a routine worming wont harm your birds but constant abuse of meds will
unless your having each bird tested ya will never be sure you havent got worms in ya loft testing a few gives a guide but no gaurentee

a good dry loft and   a blow lamp come in handy but each to there own

i doubt any loft is germ free

Sounds resonable, to me etc in what you say G    "Show me a man"    who say's he has a germ free loft type of thing & I will show you a liar   .

low level exposure to pathogens is actualy good for yer pigeons builds up their immunity ...hense deep litter ...getting back to worms everytime you send yer birds to a race they could bring back to yer loft and good droppings don't mean ya aint got worms and yer birds are only as healthy as all yer club mates when ya start racing ...sensible targeted treatments are fine its when you give antibiotics willy nilly you do more harm than good ,I aint used a antibiotic for 3 years not needed to but for me worming is a must just my slant on it and the best thing is read up on it and make yer own decision atb   

Knackered wrote:

sj lofts wrote:

unless ur testin every droppin from every bird in loft you wont know if you gt them I have mine fully tested 4 times a yr at retford poultry but still do alternate every 6 to 8 wks with either moxy . cydectin or medpet wormer capsules but that's jmo

Interesting Steve    "Fully tested" does that mean etc every bird in your loft is put under the microscope. That's the way I would read your wisdom & if that is  the case, that is far beyond what the average fancier could afford I suspect. Just as a follow on also to my little Rudd ramble     I think I'm correct in saying Rudd's birds live a farm like enviroment & I just think, that is in some way is food for thought     in regards to his words of wisdom.   
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what I mean by fully tested droppings and swabs . have them done for worms cocci canker eccolli salmonella respiratory etc . but will still treat for first 3 on regualar basis as I believe this way is not abusing them its just keepin them healthy jmo but ech to there own .........

sj lofts wrote:

Knackered wrote:

sj lofts wrote:

unless ur testin every droppin from every bird in loft you wont know if you gt them I have mine fully tested 4 times a yr at retford poultry but still do alternate every 6 to 8 wks with either moxy . cydectin or medpet wormer capsules but that's jmo

Interesting Steve    "Fully tested" does that mean etc every bird in your loft is put under the microscope. That's the way I would read your wisdom & if that is  the case, that is far beyond what the average fancier could afford I suspect. Just as a follow on also to my little Rudd ramble     I think I'm correct in saying Rudd's birds live a farm like enviroment & I just think, that is in some way is food for thought     in regards to his words of wisdom.   
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what I mean by fully tested droppings and swabs . have them done for worms cocci canker eccolli salmonella respiratory etc . but will still treat for first 3 on regualar basis as I believe this way is not abusing them its just keepin them healthy jmo but ech to there own .........

Steve i have sent you a PM cheers

sj lofts wrote:

Knackered wrote:

sj lofts wrote:

unless ur testin every droppin from every bird in loft you wont know if you gt them I have mine fully tested 4 times a yr at retford poultry but still do alternate every 6 to 8 wks with either moxy . cydectin or medpet wormer capsules but that's jmo

Interesting Steve    "Fully tested" does that mean etc every bird in your loft is put under the microscope. That's the way I would read your wisdom & if that is  the case, that is far beyond what the average fancier could afford I suspect. Just as a follow on also to my little Rudd ramble     I think I'm correct in saying Rudd's birds live a farm like enviroment & I just think, that is in some way is food for thought     in regards to his words of wisdom.   
*****

what I mean by fully tested droppings and swabs . have them done for worms cocci canker eccolli salmonella respiratory etc . but will still treat for first 3 on regualar basis as I believe this way is not abusing them its just keepin them healthy jmo but ech to there own .........

Once again interesting Steve etc in what you say    Here !!!!!! it would cost the average fancier an absolute fortune to follow your path type of thing. Some do    but most would have to take a morgage out on their house      because of the amount of birds they all keep. But !!!!!!! as you so rightly say "each to there own".  

Rudderfett wrote:

Only thing I can tell you is I have raced pigeons for years and never ever have I wormed my pigeons.

Much the same Rudd . Couldn't remember the last time I did it etc
(20+ year basket) . Yesterday thou I was in the horse/grain store picking up 3 bags of safflower for my chumps. $120 down the drain & then I spotted a thing called Equest, a moxidectin horse based wormer & I weakend sadly & I went home skint as that took my last $20 unfortunately    .

you've heard of that old, well known saying havnt you knackered....." a pigeon man and his money is easily parted"

ive learnt to just take enough for what I need to buy, then I cant be tempted.......

David wrote:

you've heard of that old, well known saying havnt you knackered....." a pigeon man and his money is easily parted"

ive learnt to just take enough for what I need to buy, then I cant be tempted.......

Always been a bit slow in that Department etc David . Pity you didn't tell me that 2 days ago type of thing as I had to go begging unfortunately to the missus for more petrol money .

Begging my mrs for money is something I do on a daily basis

Lofty wrote:

Begging my mrs for money is something I do on a daily basis

At last I've found another Man, man type of bloke. One surpose's she grants you Lofty the pleasure etc of cutting the grass & putting the bins out as such for enjoyment .