May be a good read for some members

I would like to know of members views, on why so many birds going missing.

http://www.pigeonvetcenter.com/en/2014-01-29-08-59-25/newsletters-2014/1229-newsletter-august-2014

On left side under headings, gives you more details on different subjects, A good read is on different diseases, I hope members find this to be of good advice.

Looking at different readings and views of others, I feel that the problem for so many losses, may be due to Disorientation due to a virus. I know over the past good few years, if a member of the family have needed to see the doctor, they are told its a virus. So we dont really understand what is the problem. This is why i feel Disorientation may be playing a big part.

Will agree George some interesting reading mate

Don Webb wrote:

Will agree George some interesting reading mate

Same, same. Thank's Devo for putting the post up etc "Interesting". Unfortunately I'm having trouble deciding which goodies to buy at the lolly shop there, for my little team of chumps      sadly I'm .

I think when people lose there birds they always look for a reason most birds will fly ok with wind behind them. but takes a extra special bird to fly 400 to 500 milel against a 5 to 10 mph headwind I notice most races to south shields are mostly tail winds so birds have it easy doing high ypm give them a headwind different story they lose them may need to get tougher birds. ones that will fight they way home no matter what the conditions

what a load of crap

you need improve your manners everybody has a right to there opinion so keep your mouth shut if you have nothing better to say

you open your mouth wide enough and I will write what the f**k I want

rainbow wrote:

what a load of crap

MMMMMMMMmmmmm maybe a wee bit harsh their George as I would put Ambers reply in the 1 of a 100 reasons etc why our loses now appear to be much worser than in the past. I tend to think in simple terms, as sad as it is & my thoughts are that now there is just too much traffic/interferance (Mobile phones etc) up in the clouds as such for many birds to cope with sadly, especially when flying distance races. Now !!! if you reply George & tell me I talk a load of crap I shall not respond & just bite my tounge & hope our umpire here can bring some sainty back into play.

Been doing some reading regarding this topic, http://ecdc.europa.eu/en/healthtopics/west_nile_fever/pages/index.aspx

both Ian and Ray were good enough to put there lofts forward for the competition they did not need to read remarks like this about there birds

peregrine strikes poorly bred birds bred from paper and not tested parents and bad management of the birds are the most valid reasons for losses for me

to clear things up a bit no we dont mostly fly with tail wind in fact over the last few years we have had some very testing channel races to say the least to say that are birds arnt tough enough a beg to differ
i myself have had some good time ins on good hard days , a bit naughty if you ask me amberleaf but you are entitled to your opinion even if it is wrong lol,

rainbow wrote:

you open your mouth wide enough   and I will write what the f**k I want

George spot on but it might not work out theses days

oldstrain wrote:

peregrine strikes poorly bred birds bred from paper and not tested parents and bad management of the birds are the most valid reasons for losses for me

Darren I would have to agree 110%, but can I just say with young bird loses there is to much money at stack in open races, gold rings, B/B races and the pressure is on getting the pigeon to the race because it has the required ring on it, I know fanciers who send just for the sack of it, even if things are not well at the loft

also to clear things up I was only talking about this oldbird season when two longer races with headwinds nobody timed it it was just an observation it was not meant personell it was only rainbow who twisted things and turned it personeli am sorry if you took it the wrong way but it was not meant and rainbow from now on keep out of my face you just try to stir things up

amberleaf wrote:

also to clear things up I was only talking about this oldbird season when two longer races with headwinds nobody timed it it was just an observation it was not meant personell it was only rainbow who twisted things and turned it personeli am sorry if you took it the wrong way but it was not meant and rainbow from now on keep out of my face you just try to stir things up

Fair play amberleaf for your comment and I will agree with the head winds it tests the birds and the best get in or as some will say it sorts the wheat from the shaft

More and more of this problem, Twice by the loft i was bitten this week. http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/mosquito-magnets-installed-port-liverpool-9636057

I do think there is a link to young bird sickness, from West Nile Virus. Maybe its the Mosquito passing it on, through other means, People have said its airborne, others say it passed on through other wild birds. In Germany there is a virus they have called the Bully-bacteria, I have started to give my young birds, Red cap Yakult, 1 little bottle to 2 litres of water, to help build up Immune  system.
Whats your views on this, Is there a answer to the problem.

George another thing you can use for the youngsters is Live Bio Yogurt

Also you can use Natural Live Yogurt on the corn it helps keep the Cocci count down mate

Alan Darragh is one of the top fanciers in NI I think to date he has won 7 nationals he don't treat any ybs who are sick and also disposes of there parents if you google alan darragh NI you might find it a good read

primalac is the best probiotic I have used ...I use ropa b too and have found the 2 products very good for bacterial,cocci and canker and fungal issues (droppings test regularly taken) but a virus is a whole different ball game all you can do is stop secondary infections moving in while the birds immune system is compromised fighting the virus.

rainbow wrote:

Alan Darragh  is one of the top fanciers  in NI  I think to date he has won 7 nationals  he don't treat any ybs who are sick and also disposes  of there parents if you google  alan darragh NI  you might find it a good read

George tell you something else about Alan I read at the end of every racing season once he has sorted the pigeons out, he would remove all water fountains and feed and would not go to the loft for 3 days

This was to help clear the birds out

Don Webb wrote:

rainbow wrote:

Alan Darragh  is one of the top fanciers  in NI  I think to date he has won 7 nationals  he don't treat any ybs who are sick and also disposes  of there parents if you google  alan darragh NI  you might find it a good read

George tell you something else about Alan I read at the end of every racing season once he has sorted the pigeons out, he would remove all water fountains and feed and would not go to the loft for 3 days

This was to help clear the birds out  

To any newbie in the sport Don what Alan D does would appear cruel at first glance I suspect. But 3 days without food for healthy pigeons really is nothing from my perspective, tho I would worry about the water issue. But then I wouldn't argue with a man that has won 7 nationals etc .

yes had posted that before but did not go down very well so left it out this time bought a yb of him few years back to race in the rpra one loft race but was lost along with hundreds more in one of there bad races

its all about how comfortable you feel not feeding and watering your birds for 3 days mr darragh is quite extrovert in his conduct with the pigeons many many national winners don't adopt the same approach ie mr gilbert the coopers etc...and do quite well lol winning international races too I know which approach I feel comfortable with some guys just see the pigeons as objects to gain
a bit of glory in the pigeon world which is fine but as far as I am concerned I like to adopt a different role and look in the mirror in the morning knowing I have not used or abused and done right by the birds.ffs where has the enjoyment gone in racing its not all their is in life