The REAL cost of sending 4 birds to One Loft races

We have 16 people on the 'One Loft' syndicate so far. I am trusting we might get a couple more- but ....

If we want to enter 2 birds to the RPRA One Loft, and two to another race like the one in the top part of France run by two English people who at least I know a bit about, or one of the Irish races, it is going to cost around £600.00 plus a bit for transport.

A breakdown of the cost would be:-

RPRA One Loft race - at the moment they are charging £110.00 per bird (I don't know if there are any extras on top of that because I wasn't involved with the syndicate at the beginning of this year). So, total £220.00 minimum, plus maybe a bit for transport.

French Young Bird Derby - £60.00 per bird perch fee, then if your young bird makes it all the way through to the first Hot Spot and you want to carry on, you have to pay a further £100.00 per bird. Making a total of £160.00 pr bird x 2 = £320.00.

If you divide £600.00 by 16 people, you get a total of £37.50 per person, plus a little bit for transportation.

Therefore, I think a round figure of £40.00 per person should cover it, courier fees included.

We need to know your decision asap.

Obviously if you only want to put a couple of birds into the RPRA race, the cost per person per head is going to be a lot cheaper. However, if all members only want to send to the RPRA one loft, then I am not the man for the job!

Phil

I have never entered a one loft race before so I don't know much about them but if it's going to cost £40 Then let me know where to send it up to you guys who's done this before You will know more about what to send and where to send

for me the european one lofts ie French one is too expensive for us as its £320 plus courier fees of at least another £100 it would be interesting but we don't have the funds that could be 4 entries in a uk one loft...we need some value for our budget ...I honestly don't think a one loft abroad is affordable for us phil its certainly not value compaired to uk one lofts its an extra £100 per bird with courier fee whether they pick up or not its going to be at least £100 courier fee we could have another 2 entries for that price in the uk or eire

oldstrain wrote:

for me the european one lofts ie French one is too expensive for us as its £320 plus courier fees of at least another £100 it would be interesting but we don't have the funds that could be 4 entries in a uk one loft...we need some value for our budget ...I honestly don't think a one loft abroad is affordable for us phil its certainly not value compaired to uk one lofts its an extra £100 per bird with courier fee whether they pick up or not its going to be at least £100 courier fee we could have another 2 entries for that price in the uk or eire

How is it an extra £100 per bird to send birds to frogland? It's £50 more per bird - but the prizes are much bigger.

Also what makes you think the transport will be another £100 - As far as I know the courier costs are the same as Walkers, because they do it.

I am looking into races from Ireland right now - if you know any more please let me know.

Phil

by what I`ve read on the website, the prizes arnt much bigger than the rpra, they base the final race upon having 600 birds and the 1st prize is £30,000 compared to £25,000 with the rpra......2nd prize in the French one loft is £8,00 compared to £12,000 at the rpra as far as I know.

the prize money goes down to £25,000 and £7,000 or £20,000 and £5,000, dependant on birds entered with the French open, so all in all the prize monies are around the same, so it mainly comes down to cost of entry and courier charges to which ever we go with.....walkers do a European delivery service, but it will very much likely be more expensive than uk deliveries, how much I do not know because they say contact us for a quote.....

So why don't we stick to the RPRA It makes sense to me But that's only me And like you say the cost would come down a bit for people £25 for a bit of fun It's worth it..Maybe next year we could consider sending to another one when we have more information on everything But that's only me

David wrote:

by what I`ve read on the website, the prizes arnt much bigger than the rpra, they base the final race upon having 600 birds and the 1st prize is £30,000 compared to £25,000 with the rpra......2nd prize in the French one loft is £8,00 compared to £12,000 at the rpra as far as I know.

the prize money goes down to £25,000 and £7,000 or £20,000 and £5,000, dependant on birds entered with the French open, so all in all the prize monies are around the same, so it mainly comes down to cost of entry and courier charges to which ever we go with.....walkers do a European delivery service, but it will very much likely be more expensive than uk deliveries, how much I do not know because they say contact us for a quote.....

OK David, forget about the French Young bird derby. If you don't feel it's worth it.

What about Ireland?

Phil

possibly phil, I know nothing about it, but I dare say I will find out.....if we could get some ideas and thoughts from others in the syndicate it would be helpful, i assume most one lofts are very similar apart from the million dollar one obviously.......but just going back to the French one loft i see he races the birds along with his local club and fed, which is different to the rpra, is this a good thing, i don't know.... and also the ace bird wins £2,000 apposed to a car from the rpra.

so i suppose its give and take in a lot of them, the prizes usually even out, what may be a good 1st prize in one, may give rubbish 2nd and 3rd prizes or no car type of thing, swings and roundabouts i reckon.

a minefield if not scrutinised properly.

David wrote:

possibly phil, I know nothing about it, but I dare say I will find out.....if we could get some ideas and thoughts from others in the syndicate it would be helpful, i assume most one lofts are very similar apart from the million dollar one obviously.......but just going back to the French one loft i see he races the birds along with his local club and fed, which is different to the rpra, is this a good thing, i don't know.... and also the ace bird wins £2,000 apposed to a car from the rpra.

so i suppose its give and take in a lot of them, the prizes usually even out, what may be a good 1st prize in one, may give rubbish 2nd and 3rd prizes or no car type of thing, swings and roundabouts i reckon.

a minefield if not scrutinised properly.

OK - lets forget about the french race and try and find out about other races and we could do.

Phil

blueskylofts wrote:

oldstrain wrote:

for me the european one lofts ie French one is too expensive for us as its £320 plus courier fees of at least another £100 it would be interesting but we don't have the funds that could be 4 entries in a uk one loft...we need some value for our budget ...I honestly don't think a one loft abroad is affordable for us phil its certainly not value compaired to uk one lofts its an extra £100 per bird with courier fee whether they pick up or not its going to be at least £100 courier fee we could have another 2 entries for that price in the uk or eire

How is it an extra £100 per bird to send birds to frogland?  It's £50 more per bird - but the prizes are much bigger.

Also what makes you think the transport will be another £100  -  As far as I know the courier costs are the same as Walkers, because they do it.

I am looking into races from Ireland right now - if you know any more please let me know.

Phil

£100 courier fee and an extra £50 per bird to enter

How do you know these prices Darren?

Phil

is the irish one loft, the emerald classic one loft race...?

http://www.emeraldclassic.co.uk/index1.htm

£50 to courier each bird and and £320 to enter 2 birds if they make it =£420 double bubble to the rpra one loft we could have 4 in it as oppose to 2 in france it just does not seem like good value to me ,do you think the maths is wrong phil ? maybe I have missed something

oldstrain wrote:

£50 to courier each bird and and £320 to enter 2 birds if they make it =£420 double bubble to the rpra one loft we could have 4 in it as oppose to 2 in france it just does not seem like good value to me ,do you think the maths is wrong phil ? maybe I have missed something

OK OK - lets just forget about the french race. I have NO reason to send birds there anyway.

Phil

blueskylofts wrote:

oldstrain wrote:

£50 to courier each bird and and £320 to enter 2 birds if they make it =£420 double bubble to the rpra one loft we could have 4 in it as oppose to 2 in france it just does not seem like good value to me ,do you think the maths is wrong phil ? maybe I have missed something

OK OK - lets just forget about the french race. I have NO reason to send birds there anyway.

Phil

At last OK last  year here I suspect, so why not the same etc. Think  Kiss take the stress factor away .
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Knackered wrote:

blueskylofts wrote:

oldstrain wrote:

£50 to courier each bird and and £320 to enter 2 birds if they make it =£420 double bubble to the rpra one loft we could have 4 in it as oppose to 2 in france it just does not seem like good value to me ,do you think the maths is wrong phil ? maybe I have missed something

OK OK - lets just forget about the french race. I have NO reason to send birds there anyway.

Phil

At last OK last  year here I suspect, so why not the same etc. Think  Kiss take the stress factor away .
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Yes and take all the excitement away from doing something new at another one loft!

If we are only going to do the RPRA one loft race - Count me OUT!

Phil

Yes and take all the excitement away from doing something new at another one loft!

If we are only going to do the RPRA one loft race - Count me OUT!

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blueskylofts wrote:

Knackered wrote:

blueskylofts wrote:

oldstrain wrote:

£50 to courier each bird and and £320 to enter 2 birds if they make it =£420 double bubble to the rpra one loft we could have 4 in it as oppose to 2 in france it just does not seem like good value to me ,do you think the maths is wrong phil ? maybe I have missed something

OK OK - lets just forget about the french race. I have NO reason to send birds there anyway.

Phil

At last OK last  year here I suspect, so why not the same etc. Think  Kiss take the stress factor away .
*****

Yes and take all the excitement away from doing something new at another one loft!

If we are only going to do the RPRA one loft race - Count me OUT!

Phil

Disappointing to hear that Phil Some down here thou would call that "Spitting the dummy" Big time . On a more serious note as such   I for one  hope you reconsider etc.

Yes come on guys all pull in the one direction and make this thing happen

I agree with cowandchicken It's all for a bit of fun UK Ireland or France does it really matter As long as we all agree let's get on with it It's in today's British homing world All the rules All the prizes And how to send a pigeon

cowandchicken wrote:

Yes and take all the excitement away from doing something new at another one loft!

If we are only going to do the RPRA one loft race - Count me OUT!

Phil

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Well that is very adult language, I must say!

Phil

You need to chill out mate. Your bouncing all over the forum barking orders and when you don't get it your way you spit your dummy.
It was never going to be easy with so many opinions but give the grown ups a chance to sort things and when they have I am sure they will have time to play with you too.

cowandchicken wrote:

You need to chill out mate. Your bouncing all over the forum barking orders and when you don't get it your way you spit your dummy.
It was never going to be easy with so many opinions but give the grown ups a chance to sort things and when they have I am sure they will have time to play with you too.

I don't know who the hell you think you are but you are not going to speak to me like that and get away with it.  What have you done towards organising something for the one loft races?

Firstly, I am not barking orders at anybody, I am trying to organise things, because most people just sit on their arses and do nothing.

I was trying to get people motivated and to try and get something done, and if that's called spitting the dummy when people criticise or don't like what you say then so be it.

So I'll tell you what I am going to do, I am going to leave it all to you lot to do whatever you want to do and I don't want to have anything else to do with it, thank you.  We have much more important things in our lives at the moment.  Basically we have pigeons stuck in training crates, we are basically homeless because the solicitors won't pull their fingers out, and every time I say something on the forum or try to come up with suggestions, somebody criticises, so we will see how you get on without my help.  Sod the lot of you.

Phil

Wow mate you've not only spat the dummy you've upended the whole pram!
Come on mate stick with it for the sake of the other members. You've got your ballot paper posted now so things are moving forward.
Things may not be Rosie on the home front but like the Army taught me its character building.