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halcanada Youngbird
Posts : 4206 Join date : 2014-03-11 Age : 84 Location : Southern Ontario. Canada.
| Subject: Spotless loft. Good results. Tue Jul 24, 2018 12:37 am | |
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MISTY Oldbird
Posts : 9024 Join date : 2018-01-28 Age : 89 Location : SCARBOROUGH
| Subject: Re: Spotless loft. Good results. Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:14 am | |
| Tried to get the things I would be interested in from the video, appears a form of advertising, and I cannot spend an hour over mundane matters.
The fact is not if you win races but how, as I have said many times you can make a bear dance etc; but HOW.
You can win races by means not to the benefit of the pigeons life, which I would not be interested in.
If one is only interested in making money a few porkies does not go adrift.
Success depends on exactly what one wants and expects to gain from participating,
Regards.
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halcanada Youngbird
Posts : 4206 Join date : 2014-03-11 Age : 84 Location : Southern Ontario. Canada.
| Subject: Re: Spotless loft. Good results. Wed Jul 25, 2018 1:04 am | |
| Misty. Your pigeon world or vision of it, is long gone. Or headed that way. Fanciers love winners! They buy the best they can afford from a reputable racer/breeder. The more wins the seller gets the price of the birds go up. It is a multi-million dollar business. Winners have a better chance of breeding winners than the hit and miss approach. If a bird was bought from a loft like the one in the video then it is obvious the same techniques/methods should be used as much as possible. If put in a loft with deep litter then anything may happen. Better or worse. 96% of people racing do so to WIN! They feel pride when they do good. Disapointment when at the bottom of the sheet. But they carry on and keep trying and eventually win. But to keep up the winning ways is a nightmare! Hence the change of feed, routine, breeding stock etc,. The guy in the video is a World Champion! Year after year. Sure he advertises. Why not? That is his business! There is a part in there when he was asked about young birds and losses. Breeds 200 and ends up with 70. They race every week. I do not agree with all his methods but I did learn a few things. That is the whole point of watching videos and being in Forums. There is aways a nugget or two of information one can use. If used correctly they can improve a fanciers loft. I am always learning! |
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Knackered Oldbird
Posts : 14499 Join date : 2013-03-11
| Subject: Re: Spotless loft. Good results. Wed Jul 25, 2018 2:42 am | |
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barnie Youngbird
Posts : 3063 Join date : 2012-07-25
| Subject: Re: Spotless loft. Good results. Wed Jul 25, 2018 8:20 am | |
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Don Webb Oldbird
Posts : 14926 Join date : 2009-03-27 Age : 51 Location : Tipton
| Subject: Re: Spotless loft. Good results. Wed Jul 25, 2018 1:11 pm | |
| Great video But Jos has loads off people working for him cant take anything away from him as a pigeon man top quality but when you Marry the sister of one of the top pigeon vets in Belguim well it all helps hey We normal fanciers don't have that type off luxury |
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redrog Youngbird
Posts : 2277 Join date : 2012-12-02 Age : 67 Location : rhos, wrexham
| Subject: Re: Spotless loft. Good results. Wed Jul 25, 2018 1:17 pm | |
| different world |
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oldstrain Oldbird
Posts : 16306 Join date : 2011-01-03 Location : the magic roundabout
| Subject: Re: Spotless loft. Good results. Wed Jul 25, 2018 2:07 pm | |
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MISTY Oldbird
Posts : 9024 Join date : 2018-01-28 Age : 89 Location : SCARBOROUGH
| Subject: Re: Spotless loft. Good results. Wed Jul 25, 2018 7:00 pm | |
| If this fancier or anyone like him would get a loft on an allotment, keep the average number of pigeons and send the same, treat them to any way he wanted, clinical, filthy or anything else, I would expect to beat him more times than he beat me.
It is only his exceptional financial circumstances and other advantages that has enabled him to buy success, if one can call it that.
It is fanciers??? like him that have almost ruined the sport for the real fancier.
If a fancier thinks in getting pigeons from such fanciers he/she is home and dry, think again, just look at how many pigeons he loses.
What may happen, a fancier pays over the odds for pigeons and then starts to treat them better because of the cost of purchasing them, had he she given the same attention that they replaced????
Money, Money, Money, the downfall of everything when those involved make it a priority.
Regards. |
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oldstrain Oldbird
Posts : 16306 Join date : 2011-01-03 Location : the magic roundabout
| Subject: Re: Spotless loft. Good results. Wed Jul 25, 2018 7:23 pm | |
| some good points made misty jos thone has had more clearance sales than argos and indeed I feel its all about the money with him ,some remarkable performances though from his lofts/team |
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Knackered Oldbird
Posts : 14499 Join date : 2013-03-11
| Subject: Re: Spotless loft. Good results. Thu Jul 26, 2018 3:40 am | |
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MISTY Oldbird
Posts : 9024 Join date : 2018-01-28 Age : 89 Location : SCARBOROUGH
| Subject: Re: Spotless loft. Good results. Thu Jul 26, 2018 10:53 am | |
| Over 40 years ago and many times since I have written in the BHW advocating making the cost of sending the pigeons exactly what it costs, after taking all the other commitments into consideration and letting those interested in flying for money do so by pooling to their hearts content, but as with many other suggestions I have made for the benefit of the sport the money mad are not interested so the actual grass root fancier with limited means is punished.
Regards. |
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Knackered Oldbird
Posts : 14499 Join date : 2013-03-11
| Subject: Re: Spotless loft. Good results. Fri Jul 27, 2018 6:40 am | |
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barnie Youngbird
Posts : 3063 Join date : 2012-07-25
| Subject: Re: Spotless loft. Good results. Fri Jul 27, 2018 10:45 am | |
| Nothing new, back in the good old days plenty fanciers with money, professional types, landowners with large teams, palatial lofts and full time helpers. There was an old black and white photo in the BHW a while back, double decker lofts the length of a street of houses, I think it was in Scotland I guess 50-60 years ago. Was money the only thing driving these fanciers ? |
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Knackered Oldbird
Posts : 14499 Join date : 2013-03-11
| Subject: Re: Spotless loft. Good results. Fri Jul 27, 2018 11:02 am | |
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MISTY Oldbird
Posts : 9024 Join date : 2018-01-28 Age : 89 Location : SCARBOROUGH
| Subject: Re: Spotless loft. Good results. Fri Jul 27, 2018 12:44 pm | |
| Having experienced the sport for over 75 years the money factor has increased beyond belief.
Races are promoted and advertised on the possible prize money, this was not the case many years ago when the miners were the majority of fanciers.
There were the odd rich who took up the sport but they were a minority,and those with money who would challenge each other but the vast majority were grass root fanmciers.
However, it is the state the sport is in now that matters and making excuses does not help matters, what is needed is changes so that the existing fanciers have a better time and there is something to offer potential fanciers.
Regards.
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MISTY Oldbird
Posts : 9024 Join date : 2018-01-28 Age : 89 Location : SCARBOROUGH
| Subject: Re: Spotless loft. Good results. Fri Jul 27, 2018 10:07 pm | |
| Knackered. Iam not realy up to date as to what the Chinese are doing regarding our sport, but the rediculous prices they are prepared to pay for pigeons is beyond me, the only thing I can put it down to is the population involved and the possibility of getting more than their money back by selling the young based on what they paid forvthe parents, similar to what happened when studs here were started.
Not forgetting the gambling mentallity well known to be a main occupation by many Chinese.
We can take sollace in the fact, Knackered, that we have lived in the best ever times, never to be experienced again, and I thank the Lord for that.
Regards.
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Knackered Oldbird
Posts : 14499 Join date : 2013-03-11
| Subject: Re: Spotless loft. Good results. Sat Jul 28, 2018 12:19 am | |
| - MISTY wrote:
- Knackered.
Iam not realy up to date as to what the Chinese are doing regarding our sport, but the rediculous prices they are prepared to pay for pigeons is beyond me, the only thing I can put it down to is the population involved and the possibility of getting more than their money back by selling the young based on what they paid forvthe parents, similar to what happened when studs here were started.
Not forgetting the gambling mentallity well known to be a main occupation by many Chinese.
We can take sollace in the fact, Knackered, that we have lived in the best ever times, never to be experienced again, and I thank the Lord for that.
Regards.
Agree about the last part above etc Misty . Not all that much unfortunately that I see in the future, inspires me I'm also. But in the Big picture these days, it means little what my views are I suggest. |
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