ETS and Position Calculator

Hi,
in past we were not using any ETS , so just lock first pigeon arrival time on race day that decide 1,2,3 positions.
This year we adopted ETS and we will play with ets devices this year. So I am wondering how to calculate Best loft, Ace pigeon or anyohter title.
Do you know any software where I can upload my results and may get some calculation or any guidance to calculate how will be great.

I have seen PCR software but it don't support Topigeon v6/v8 yet

Thanks

tanveerhbaig wrote:

Hi,
in past we were not using any ETS , so just lock first pigeon arrival time on race day that decide 1,2,3 positions.
This year we adopted ETS and we will play with ets devices this year. So I am wondering how to calculate Best loft, Ace pigeon or anyohter title.
Do you know any software where I can upload my results and may get some calculation or any guidance to calculate how will be great.

I have seen PCR software but it don't support Topigeon v6/v8 yet

Thanks

Could maybe suggest Tanveer you contact the makers of the electronic clocks you will be using there now for some advise & just see what they say about what is Compatible with their general clocking system as such.

A bit complicated for me this ..I do our result on a Saturday and thats enough for me

get in touch with these ......

loft manager software

thank you Barnie, sent them email if they have such solution

barnie wrote:

get in touch with these ......

loft manager software

tanveerhbaig wrote:

Hi,
in past we were not using any ETS , so just lock first pigeon arrival time on race day that decide 1,2,3 positions.
This year we adopted ETS and we will play with ets devices this year. So I am wondering how to calculate Best loft, Ace pigeon or anyohter title.
Do you know any software where I can upload my results and may get some calculation or any guidance to calculate how will be great.

I have seen PCR software but it don't support Topigeon v6/v8 yet

Thanks

The only difference the ETS should make is means of timing.

You obtain the time from the ETS and use it exactly the same as from a manual timer.

If you only count the first timed in by a manual timer you just do the same from the ETS.

You should have no problem once the ETS is up and running.

It is just changing from one way of timing to another and changes nothing else.

Regards.

MISTY wrote:

tanveerhbaig wrote:

Hi,
in past we were not using any ETS , so just lock first pigeon arrival time on race day that decide 1,2,3 positions.
This year we adopted ETS and we will play with ets devices this year. So I am wondering how to calculate Best loft, Ace pigeon or anyohter title.
Do you know any software where I can upload my results and may get some calculation or any guidance to calculate how will be great.

I have seen PCR software but it don't support Topigeon v6/v8 yet

Thanks

The only difference the ETS should make is means of timing.

You obtain the time from the ETS and use it exactly the same as from a manual timer.

If you only count the first timed in by a manual timer you just do the same from the ETS.

You should have no problem once the ETS is up and running.

It is just changing from one way of timing to another and changes nothing else.

Regards.

That may be true for some I suggest Misty But sadly some still live in the dark ages I've found unfortunately with how & when the spit a result sheet out as such. Any one these days from my end, that cannot give at least a provisional type result sheet out to everyone concerned by the end of the race on the day of the race, needs to lift their game from my perspective here, being & seeing as we now live in a computer type environment moment thankfully now   . End of the day     credit to Tanveer here I say     a move that may have some small teething issue problems early one maybe, but will be well worth it on average by the end for all concerned there I suspect    .

I was against ets at first but love it now but it has flaws , ie if 7 birds say hit the field together and say one man has 6 and other man has one but the man with 6 hit the board together and the man with one ends up 7th is the bit I don't like..because in the old days that would not happen, the bloke with one bird would probably be 2nd or 3rd because obviously the man with 6 can only get at least 2 in with the rubbers system. But we have to accept it I suppose. Also with all technology when it goes wrong by god it certainly does

peel bros wrote:

I was against ets at first but love it now but it has flaws , ie if 7 birds say hit the field together and say one man has 6 and other man has one but the man with 6 hit the board together and the man with one ends up 7th is the bit I don't like..because in the old days that would not happen,  the bloke with one bird would probably be 2nd or 3rd because obviously the man with 6 can only get at least 2 in with the rubbers system.  But we have to accept it I suppose.  Also with all technology when it goes wrong by god it certainly does

Could suggest maybe Ray that's more a membership & mindset issue as such, in certain ways than a clock issue etc. Set in stone to a degree, what actually gets spat out at pull over time on race day by flyers, but that doesn't quite necessarily mean that it has to be the final & only result result if the membership choose other wise . Been a 1 or 2 bird clocking system arrangement down here since I first started in pigeons & few would wish to change it here in a local sense I suspect, even with the modern day type electronic clocks.

I don't believe in limits if thats what you mean , the top men only timing 2 in , but I understand why it helps the lesser flyer get at least on the sheet..but if I was at the bottom of the sheet so be it , I just try harder. I wouldn't want a false position

Was against it from day one and made no bones about it, had numerous dog fights in the BHW and RP at the time.

My only reason being using it against a manual timer.

There is no doubt it is better for both fancier and pigeon.

If a club had the rule that you only time one or two birds then using a manual clock made it easy, you would have to switch off the ETS after the first two birds had timed.

I personally would have got no pleasure from gaining a position when I was aware fanciers had timed more pigeons before me that had been discounted.

Regards.

MISTY wrote:

Was against it from day one and made no bones about it, had numerous dog fights in the BHW and RP at the time.

My only reason being using it against a manual timer.

There is no doubt it is better for both fancier and pigeon.

If a club had the rule that you only time one or two birds then using a manual clock made it easy, you would have to switch off the ETS after the first two birds had timed.

I personally would have got no pleasure from gaining a position when I was aware fanciers had timed more pigeons before me that had been discounted.

Regards.

One of those pigeon type scenarios Misty I suggest where one could never please every one etc as much as one tried I suspect. No for a fact here, the local Fed would be split in half at least if multi type clocking was ever brought in as such from the start to the end of our race season, because the boundaries are so large here compared to something like Ray's Fed as an example. Now couldn't even count here flyers in a local sense who at one time lived local to myself & the like. 99% were no better or worse than the likes of myself in a pigeon sense. Then somehow moved 20/30/40/50 odd miles south here & they all then become instant type champions in their own mind come race day, because the wind was up their backside on average most race days etc.

peel bros wrote:

I don't believe in limits if thats what you mean , the top men only timing 2 in , but I understand why it helps the lesser flyer get at least on the sheet..but if I was at the bottom of the sheet so be it , I just try harder. I wouldn't want a false position

i think in one way its a bit greedy of the mob flyers who send a load of birds each week, to take all the positions, whilst those who send a small team are often not in the results, but then again on the other hand, to have a limit on how many birds you can clock or have on the sheet, doesnt give a true reflection on the race results, if the winner had 10 birds in and only had two in the results, the man in third place has got there by default as he should have been 11th.

this is especially deceptive if selling birds in the bhw on performances .

this is just my opinion anyway .

The best birds on the day are at the top. Sent 4 to a 600 miler, 3 were in the top 10. 45 mile overfly, 2nd day birds. Many were putting in large numbers. Total birds sent about 800. If one is at the bottom of the sheet consistently then better birds or management is needed. Done it a few times, beat the numbers.

littlehen wrote:

peel bros wrote:

I don't believe in limits if thats what you mean , the top men only timing 2 in , but I understand why it helps the lesser flyer get at least on the sheet..but if I was at the bottom of the sheet so be it , I just try harder. I wouldn't want a false position

i think in one way its a bit greedy of the mob flyers who send a load of birds each week, to take all the positions, whilst those who send a small team are often not in the results, but then again on the other hand, to have a limit on how many birds you can clock or have on the sheet, doesnt give a true reflection on the race results, if the winner had 10 birds in and only had two in the results, the man in third place has got there by default as he should have been 11th.

this is especially deceptive if selling birds in the bhw on performances .

this is just my opinion anyway .

Not a bad accessment littlehen, regarding the selling, often some have been sent back in boxes, send for them back, £60 sell them based on flying the programme often over well over £100 sometimes £1,000s.

Unfortunately, if you do  have a limit, (there has been two bird and four bird clubs at times) at the present time many clubs could not function finacially.

I have known clubs where to make things fair only the first say six or ten on the race sheet count for prizes and positions.

In that case you only make those eligible capable of being timed., so there is no record of the others performances only the fancier knows.

You get similar feeelings in horse racing O'Brian will enter half the horses in a race.

In the end all have the same options, although some handicapped by costs and other considerations.

In the end any sport should be for enjoyment and how one acheives it is up to the  those involved.

Regards.

littlehen wrote:

peel bros wrote:

I don't believe in limits if thats what you mean , the top men only timing 2 in , but I understand why it helps the lesser flyer get at least on the sheet..but if I was at the bottom of the sheet so be it , I just try harder. I wouldn't want a false position

i think in one way its a bit greedy of the mob flyers who send a load of birds each week, to take all the positions, whilst those who send a small team are often not in the results, but then again on the other hand, to have a limit on how many birds you can clock or have on the sheet, doesnt give a true reflection on the race results, if the winner had 10 birds in and only had two in the results, the man in third place has got there by default as he should have been 11th.

this is especially deceptive if selling birds in the bhw on performances .

this is just my opinion anyway .

A little story.  Here , years ago we had a small team and maybe got 2 to 3 wins a season and it pissed me off getting beat because my brother and I both hate getting beat at anything we do , hate it , so we decided to do something about and increase our team to match the big flyers and obviously we done our home work and bought in at the time the best we could afford,  anyway we started beating them a bit more every year at a massive cost to us but that was our choice.  We could cut our team down but again we love racing different birds so buy a lot in and again our choice . We actually got off our arses and done something about it and will continue to do so...like I said before I take my hat off to small team flyers and understand how hard it is but those that whinge and don't do anything about  pack in , simple as that   I don't want false positions every week...if the man in front gets 7 or whatever before me brilliant well done to him . I don't want to be 3rd because he is limited to our many he can time in ....people also forget my weekly race bill is on average 60 pounds or more and we win 20 pounds at most ...we keep the club going us so called mob flyers and long may it continue...we have sacrificed a lot to be where we are now but we still love it no matter what . Remember the top men are still the top men but we will try our hardest to beat them and never ever stop trying....thanks

peel bros wrote:

littlehen wrote:

peel bros wrote:

I don't believe in limits if thats what you mean , the top men only timing 2 in , but I understand why it helps the lesser flyer get at least on the sheet..but if I was at the bottom of the sheet so be it , I just try harder. I wouldn't want a false position

i think in one way its a bit greedy of the mob flyers who send a load of birds each week, to take all the positions, whilst those who send a small team are often not in the results, but then again on the other hand, to have a limit on how many birds you can clock or have on the sheet, doesnt give a true reflection on the race results, if the winner had 10 birds in and only had two in the results, the man in third place has got there by default as he should have been 11th.

this is especially deceptive if selling birds in the bhw on performances .

this is just my opinion anyway .

A little story.  Here , years ago we had a small team and maybe got 2 to 3 wins a season and it pissed me off getting beat because my brother and I both hate getting beat at anything we do , hate it , so we decided to do something about and increase our team to match the big flyers and obviously we done our home work and bought in at the time the best we could afford,  anyway we started beating them a bit more every year at a massive cost to us but that was our choice.  We could cut our team down but again we love racing different birds so buy a lot in and again our choice . We actually got off our arses and done something about it and will continue to do so...like I said before I take my hat off to small team flyers and understand how hard it is but those that whinge and don't do anything about  pack in , simple as that   I don't want false positions every week...if the man in front gets 7 or whatever before me brilliant well done to him . I don't want to be 3rd because he is limited to our many he can time in ....people also forget my weekly race bill is on average 60 pounds or more and we win 20 pounds at most ...we keep the club going us so called mob flyers and long may it continue...we have sacrificed a lot to be where we are now but we still love it no matter what . Remember the top men are still the top men but we will try our hardest to beat them and never ever stop trying....thanks

A good & honest self appraisal I could suggest maybe etc Ray so credit where due from my end here for your words of honesty above. Now one could say, the world these days in certain ways is made up of excuse, excuse, excuse type makes to a degree & they are quite happy at times to simply except that as a excuse type reason for not being successful or even being dishonest in other certain areas, that one could quite easily maybe think of at times   .

You do your own thing peel bros, a good farmer reaps what he sows.

If you have the grain and work ethic you will not go far wrong and good luck to you.

Regards.

My apologies if I said anything wrong , I obviously hate the mob flyer term .. people didn't moan when we sent 60 birds and only won 3 races but when we sent 50 or slightly less and won 7 then 9 we got called mob flyers. no more to be said really is there

no body has said anything wrong ray, we all have our own opinions on pigeons / keeping them or racing them, just because our opinion is different to someone elses, it doesnt mean you / they are wrong, it just means you have free will, and your own mind ..........you have your thoughts and how to do things , and they have theirs .

peel bros wrote:

My apologies if I said anything wrong , I obviously hate the mob flyer term .. people didn't moan when we sent 60 birds and only won 3 races but when we sent 50 or slightly less and won 7 then 9 we got called mob flyers.   no more to be said really is there

Your a funny type fella Ray to be concerned how things could be interpretated by others here. Nothing I see in what you said is wrong etc you at the of the day were just giving your thoughts I suggest in an honest type manner & it's a pity more weren't more like you as such from my perspective here.
*****

Would far rather be taken to task on my opinions than not voice concerns.

Never liked YES MEN.

Everyone is entitled to view matters as they see them and long may it be so.

Although the present  trend in general is to strangle opinion that does not suit the pc brigade.

Regards.

I don't mind what or why one wants to, or may call me .... As long as it's not the truth lol

I Don't like upsetting anyone me but if I get up set its a different story haha ..I am a bit soft and want to keep everyone happy but like I said upset me then be prepared  for war

In this day and age if many think you are mad or stupid you are probably the sane one.

Regards.